That basically just greedy friends / officers giving each other loot while others can go months with nothing.
Its sad to see how egoistical WoW has turned. I really belive (and remember) that the majority of guilds / people were not like this back in original 2007.
why has it become like this?
Because people that played in 2007 are no longer playing
This is completely different generation
These people basically were raised by cata/mop version of game
and if you played one of those 2 you know that it was all about being TOP dps and having the best min maxed gear 
No I stopped playing after original WOTLK… that said, I have met countless people that played vanilla / tbc… but I think you are right. Its the Cata / Mop generation…
During the early times of TBC Classic I joined a guild and asked them which loot distribution they used and was told fair loot council.
I did two raids with them and all the close friends of the GM got the gear from every boss, even when it was a very minor upgrade. When I questioned it I was kicked from the raid and the guild.
I won’t name them but they don’t raid anymore and the guild has fell apart after a month. The 5-6 people that were the GMs friends had great gear but no one would join or raid with them due to their reputation for bad loot distribution, even pugs.
I’ve been playing in the same guild, pretty much, since Molten Core. We use a DKP bidding system - pay what you want for an item. I’m not saying it’s perfect but our player retention is crazy high. We still have multiple people who’ve been around since the start, and more so that joined on TBC release and stuck around too.
I’ve had to recruit recently though as, due to RL issues, we’ve lost 2 amazing DPS (fun guys to play with). Every person i’ve spoken to immediately rejects us when they see we use DKP and not Loot Council.
They reason that “DKP only requires people to turn up and not perform well”
Loot Council is a very private server thing, where they have 2-3 characters each and want to min-max their server first team… and somehow it’s now the most popular loot system again in TBCC… after years of it being abused and tearing guilds apart?
I don’t get it.
I am in a LC guild and most loot is given last to gm / officers. Its not the norm having a corrupt one and most of these collapse anyway.
I’m glad we have a completely different system.
Good old fashion rolling and we ask people to be considerate of their fellow guild mates so if it’s their lucky night and they’ve already won some good loot, to pass it on to someone else.
Of course… if they’re greedy they can keep the gear they’ve won but so far everyone is helping each other and it makes me proud.
Fuyo!
I wonder if there’s a correlation between having been in many guilds and dislike towards LC …
During Classic I was in a guild competing for realm first Ragnaros. After the kill Spinal Reaper drops and is given to a member who had been in the guild since before launch, who had pushed leveling, professions and pre-raid BiS.
A week old new recruit, leaving his guild to jump to ours hoping to get fast epics, yells “Corruption, these guys only give it to their friends” and leaves ^^
Obviously the only way not to be corrupted is to carry and funnel new recruits with BiS gear from the get go. I mean here they are blessing everbody with their often subpar DPS and egocentric attitude.
There’s a reason most top performing guilds doing well out there have a LC, and there’s a reason people who complain often have little to show.
Lucky for everybody one can use the trail period to figure out if thats something that works for them =)
Personally, call me wacky, but I’d rather be in a guild that doesn’t clear on week 1 but actually gives loot fairly than one that competes with the best guilds of the realm but where GM/officers get prio on all the loot.
And this is not even a hypothetical comparison. Speaking from personal experience, I’ve been in a guild from Naxx (Vanilla) to T5 where yeah, we got stuff cleared relatively fast, but I’ve seen hardly an item while officers were outfit in full tier gear a couple weeks after phase start, and that’s despite the fact I was a tank while some of them were healers or even DPSers.
The guild I’m in now is fairly average progress-wise, in comparison, but I’ve still got loot that I’d have never even seen on the previous guild, except as table scraps. Overall, I very much prefer where I am now - putting aside the better environment social-wise, at least here I feel like I’m actually rewarded for the effort I put in. And the loot system (a prio list with + rolls, with some LC decisions for legendaries, set bonuses, main tank or stuff like that, but only scantily and on a case-by-case basis) is a lot more fair to everyone.
Find a better guild.
loot all mine if epice it hunter loot go away
LC is the best system and my guild run it quite well.
Find a better guild, problem solved. /rolling for items is terrible, dkp systems are old and flawed.
My problem with DKP is bidding on items you do not really want, just to waste other people’s DKP. I don’t say it’s illegal, it’s 100% valid trick, but it is essentially griefing the raid (when I spend 1000 instead of 200 DKP out of my 1200 total because someone was outbidding me on purpose knowing that I need the specific item a lot, I can get less upgrades in future runs). Guild leaders usually solve this by Silent auction DKP where bids are not publicly available, but that can easily turn into a corrupt loot council.
I was tinkering with countdown timer and it worked out really well, but didn’t find DKP version that could do this.
The advantage of this is that bids are public and you can’t waste other people’s DKP. Everyone got it really quickly and posted their bids just 2 or 1 second before timer ended. There aren’t many players that are able to read all those last-second bids, think what number is higher and type it to chat, all in two seconds. This way, items went for the price players think is worth to them.
The disadvantage was that it was extremely inconvienent for loot master to handle this manually without an addon automatically remove the bid from their DKP wallet. If you know of a DKP variant that can do this, please let me know.
Yep.
DKP everyone just hogs points to get that one item that everyone wants and all other items gets DE and thus wasting them and slow down progress.
Rolling is bad because some ppl roll really good and others roll like crap. I was in a guild that did the roll thing but they had to change the rules because all the dps and healers outgeared our tanks massivly as the tanks rolled like hot garbage.
In Classic I was in a DKP guild with weekly deprecation to discourage hoarding. All classes colluded on paying only min bid on items that were unique to that class. Consequently, classes that had many class-exclusive items in their bis lists could afford to blow many weeks worth of dkp on the few items that were shared with other classes. The amount of times I’ve seen a near-useles warm body that fills empty raid space take a rare item like tear and then keep coming in their unenchanted gear to every other raid 
Anyway now I’m in a LK guild with public wish lists, where the position on the list determins the order of getting the item, and the LK only steps in occasionally when human input is needed. Also there is a month long trial period to filter out all the loot sexworkers like this:
So the shameful behaviour like that doesn’t ever happen. People know once they become a member and an item on top of their list drops they will most likely get it (unless a member with higher rank also has it on top), and higher ranks require long uninterrupted attendence to every raid with great log results (60+ average for rank 2 and 80+ for rank 3) and no problems in log analisys program (everything fully gemmed and enchanted with best gem/enchant, 100% uptime on all consume slots and a decent use of spot consumes like pots and plants).
It is an incredibly fair system, that requires an enormous effort to keep track of, but it has incredible power of filtering away people who think they deserve loot above their contribution.
Ever since I joined in early T5, there has not been a single instance of serious loot drama afaik in 2-3 raids teams we run.
Every loot distribution system got pros and cons. LC is easily the best one for hardcore guilds with clear goals, filled with competent players.
If someone is not good at the game or lacks the knowledge to determine upfront if a guild is good then they will get burned regardless of loot system.
The reality is that most stories of “corrupt loot councils” comes from players that are not good at the game. Truly corrupt guilds collapse before you can blink and when someone tries to convince me that a guild established years ago that raids consistently with minimal turnover is “corrupt”… it’s not exactly believable.
Dont join LC guilds if you dont know how to lobby your way to gear or suck in general. Only the best get the best, and that best can be best friend or best dps etc. If you dont trust the LC then you should get out or try to join it yourself.
LC is like a dictatorship - with the right honest people it can be the best system out of them all… but if u get the wrong people into the LC (which is often the case) then yeah its corrupted af.
Personally i found SR to be the best system where more or less most ppl are happy - other than those with ungodly bad luck haha
Arenas, dungeons, raids…ALL MEANS TO AN END.
Only reason Berny remotely bothers with these horrible designs is to get loots to more efficiently gank lowbies.
On Mondays we have an old raid, e.g. Kara, Zul Aman etc. so that new players or twinks can also farm a little eq and on Wednesdays the main raid there is the loot allocation so that if you need something you roll the dice through /rnd but we look who had something, then someone else gets the item first. The system has always worked for our guild.