The scummiest I’ve seen is an officer awarding himself a BiS offhand and a BiS 2hander in the same run. You can’t even equip both at the same time, maybe he took the OH for pvp or whatever but that was just greedy and a little sad to see.
But what are you going to do? Join a LC guild and you accept these conditions, they can distribute the loot entirely as they see fit as long as the majority of the guild accepts it.
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It should all be open then. Put info on your disc channel where you tell about who has prio on which loot and why they have it. That’s the biggest problem with LC system i think, it’s not open for everyone.
In the good LC Systems, it is open.
If your officer team decides that only they get to see it, run man, run. Lmao.
I concur with Valkia in this, transparency is crucial. If your LC has no clearly stated priorities or guidlines, no wishlists and no “justification” on who gets big ticket items and why, you should run immediately before they use you some more. I mean at least one of these things should be present, if not more.
“Open”? You hear a name and say congratz, who wants to spend more than 5 min on loot? In my guild is often one person taking the decisions, what is there to discuss? (Everybody is expected to push what they can anyway, why even have a system that allows anything under the bottom bar).
My guild posts an item, people for who it is “Phase BiS” do “++” in chat, “+” for upgrade and OS for OS/PvP. A name is called out on Discord, people say or write “Gz” and its the next item.
No prio lists, no discussions on Discord or ingame, no PMs. Knowing what us best for who, when, is up to the LC to research.
People get their share sooner or later, no drama ever. Less headache for everybody, no complaints.
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99% of LC clique guilds are pure scam. If the guild is not even 6/6 yet of 15 years old content it’s a HUGE red flag. Don’t even consider joining them if you appreciate your time
That statement is pure nonsense. Most guilds who use loot council use TMB now this is an out of game gear manager which players can see where they are on the list in fact every guild i have been in since start of TBC has used this system. Not only does it give you a wishlist but loot council can show whos been awarded what and when. There are some clique guilds who are scams but its more like the 1 or 2% not majority. To be honest I would never join a DKP or EpGP guild again as they are more of a curve to get loot whilst most guilds who use these wouldnt want a LC guild. In epgp/dkp its very hard for new players to get loot with these systems as they essentially get locked out of gear for at least 6 weeks while they acrew points unless you are playing a low contested gear class like holy/prot pala. Most loot council guilds will send loot each players way.
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Every guild that can’t clear 6/6 of easy 15 years old content is a waste of time and most likely a scam loot council clique, because good players don’t want to waste time with them and prefer pugging.
Some of LC guilds that cleared sunwell in few hours deserve the attention indeed and worth playing in it, but it’s super minoty among 1-4/6 sunwell progress useless loot council scammers.
It doesn’t matter what loot system is used, someone will find a way to abuse and/or exploit it.
Only real way to ensure a fair loot distribution is to group up with peeps you trust.
PUGing any raid or instance is a risk you take with regard to what you get in the group,
I guess it’s harder to exploit for example EPGP unless there are sudden point resets and there’s no way to account for changes (usually there should be a sheet of some sort and fixed GP values for different armor pieces and ms/os). The way EP is earned should be defined too. In that case this method is so transparent that you can’t cheat without it being obvious. The best an LC can do is a loot prio sheet with visible priorities.
I wasn’t a trial, I had a regular raider rank and I had been raiding with them for at least 4-5 months by then
And yeah that’s pretty much how it was in CW. No open wishlist or w/e, it was officers who made the call and we only knew once the item actually dropped. In hindsight I should’ve known better but sadly most guilds on MR raid at 20:00 so it’s not like I had a wide choice to begin with, tho I’m still glad I ended up where I am now.
yes you can do that - but if someone is acting like a clown that where players officers need to step in. We haven’t had that issue since BWL as, after that point, most of the players chasing BiS lists realised they weren’t going to reach full bis without being a guild leader or having 5 characters and either quit the game or actually started playing to have fun and clear the content with a guild of people they liked. Although we did loose a single person to some C’thun loot drama, but a single incident in 3 raid tiers is pretty good odds i think.
As for the addons, we’ve been using DKP bidding addons for ages now - they have anti-snipe options to extend bidding time and also they can visually see the bids in a DKP window, and their own bid auto increments by 5 (our minimum) so they can just keep clicking 1 button to keep bidding to the top.
I’m not saying it’s perfect, but loot council results in significantly more drama. Every. Single . Time. The drama isn’t always visual though, players just silently quite or stop playing.
People should stop thinking they could get full bis in a tier. The time for it is not enough if you play in a guild. Only a few will ever get full bis and that has not much to do with any loot system but dropluck and time on raid tiers.
LC used to be a good loot system. But with zoomers around (trying to get everything with gold from daddy’s card or minimum effort undeservedly) it will not work.
For me the best one is every player give the items they need and then taking turns. Of course people should come prepared to get loot.
I started in early 2005 and the game was magic back then and it lasted until somewhere in Wrath for me.
The game was super fun when everybody were noobs and just exploring the world with people from other countries. There was also not much info about anything in WoW and players had to figure everything out themselves. ( I started in teldrassil and I actually had to ask other players to show me the correct way to Iron Forge while traveling) I was also super young which was a factor that added to the magic. The community was a lot better and more helpful. Internet was not really full developed yet so people were more social and times were much easier.
Classic never gave me that magic feeling back, not even close to it.
Just join a raiding guild and be active, use consumables, be on time, follow instructions, be chill and positive, don’t create drama and you’ll get all the loot you want rather easily in any loot system. When I joined my guild in TBC I got no loot for a few weeks but I didn’t care. I just kept showing up on raids and made sure I became an important core member.
A few weeks later I got all the loot I ever wanted and got prio on almost everything. But I’m not greedy, I like to make other people happy with loot they want by skipping my own BiS items.
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Classic gave me back the feeling from then, more so in the Demo during blizzcon than later, but just travelling the old world again, watching the sun set over the salt plains of Thousand Needles, fighting Naraxis for his carapace and a whole load of other small and not so small things gave me this feeling back. And still do.
Playing without addons, reading Quest texts, not looking things up in Wowhead and choosing the race/class combos I did not play back then helped too 
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