idk dude, maybe its you having a problem playing that class. maybe change to a class with less buttons or easier to play? ![:slight_smile:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
watch some guides on yt and you can maybe improve a little ![:smile:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smile.png?v=6" ":smile:")
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It has plenty value, lmao. The only reason they get the class is the debuff. The class itself is inherently below others, or they’d get more than one. Let’s look at their DPS comp:
2 Boomkins, 2 Hunters, 2 Shadow, 2 Assa Rogues, 2 Warlocks, 1 DH ( Debuff ), 1 Retri, 1 Fury ( Shout ), 1 Fire mage.
Do you know what this means? All of those doubled-up classes are better and DH is only taken for the debuff.
They might be better for Jaina fight. They might be better for their composition. They might know how to play them better.
Again. Don’t judge whole class only through one guild’s usage. Try to get some bigger picture.
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Lol they’re better everywhere. The only fight Method used 2 DHs was Opulence.
What? Of course I’ll judge the class by what the best guilds do. What nonsense are you saying? What else should I judge them by?
Do you compete at Esports scene? Do you try to be world first at PvP? Do you play for Method or Limit?
No? Then what is your point?
There are many ways how to look at classes. Their playstyle, utility, survivalbility, mobility, class fantasy.
The main factor for me is the question: Am I having fun while playing this class?
From DH usage perspective:
Havoc is absolutely fine for m+. The majority of groups won’t reject good DH with high Rio score. There is big number of DHs in current raid tier, if you look at the statistics.
DH has no problem at battlegrounds if you choose correct talents. Many players are frustrated when they face DH at open world…
But well. The only thing you see is mEtHoD usInG OnLy OnE dH.
If that bugs you so much why don’t you switch to another class? Why are you still here posting in this thread?
Answer the question why do you keep playing DH. Maybe then you will find the answer to your problem.
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Why is that relevant? The best guilds are not using this class, meaning it’s undertuned.
Sure. Though other classes can keep up. My guild’s Fury frequently does the same DPS I do, and I use barrage.
O… kay? But RBG isn’t really common and finding a team/games takes a lot of time.
Random BGs are meaningless.
This doesn’t mean much. First of all, world PvP is trash because of lag, and quite frankly most classes should win a 1v1 against DH. Without dispels, we’re very vulnerable to resets and since we lack an offheal… who even loses to a DH 1v1 ?
Because that would take time and I like playing mine? I just want it to be as good as other classes.
It’s called balance.
Source?
My goodness that was the most headaching post i’ve ever seen. People are helping you by giving you different perspectives on the issues you’re facing, by proving that you’re wrong while showing you lots of solutions and that DH is indeed in a very sweet spot right now, but you’re literally finding an EXCUSE TO EVERY. SINGLE. UTTERED. PHRASE.
Your whining isn’t stopping ! Just check your replies, dear goodness your excuses don’t end. You’re so damn negative.
Mate honestly i think past this point the issue resides in you and you alone. Either go learn your class well or just do us all a favor and reroll or unsub. I don’t think there are any more solutions to your “Issues”.
And if you think Fury warriors are having it better, look harder. We’re lucky if we even get accepted in the first 30 applies on +9 or +10 keys. No one needs a fury in m+ these days, they are all either looking for a DH or a Rogue. And with that you’re pretty much guaranteed a free spot in any content you apply for.
Get your self together, you’re very fragile.
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Except they didn’t. The class is still underrepresented in raids and top tier pvp, which is all that matters.
It’s not whining. I am a paying customer and I want to play a class that isn’t a debuff bot and subpar in pvp. Just because you disagree with the facts I’m laying out doesn’t mean I’m whining and you’re right. You are literally not.
Someone clearly didn’t tell all those groups I applied for, or all those guilds that only have like 2 DH spots.
Not at all. I’m a decent PvPer and raider. Probably in the top what, 10-15% ? At least raid-wise.
Streamers stopped streaming DH and top guilds aren’t using them. That’s all the proof I need. Not ‘facts’ from some random people.
I don’t mean to be a tw@t, but you’re 2/8 Mythic Uldir, 0/9 Mythic BoD and not even AOTC so how exactly are you experienced enough to give your opinion on Demon Hunter endgame, or any class for that matter?
You proved you’re a total tw@t in that final comment with all that ego whenever someone criticizes your “opinions” or disagrees with you. I don’t need to be 9/9 mythic to know basic logic and read what literally every single group aims for. let it be +10s or +20s. Let it be heroic BoD or mythic. I do my research and i watch a lot of high end streams with keys like +22s and world firsts in either mythic + or raiding and guess what ? You can see their group compositions and the damage dealt, and both Free Marsy (winners of last season’s MDI all-stars finale) and Method (Jaina Mythic World First) both had a DH. Demon Hunters are in 90% of all the footage ive seen while being high up-top in DPS. So think again.
Also, you’re sad that you’re just a debuff bot ? I’m not even sure where to begin with this statement. What do you think is the main motive that lets people prefer, say a warlock, over an elemental shaman for example? 2 things: Healthstones and Ports.
There is always that one small factor that gives you a guaranteed spot, and that factor is enough for you to get into any group you need, no matter how small it is. You say you’re in the top 15% while failing to realize how important Darkness is, how crucial your dps on cleave fights like Opulence are, and WHILE ALSO providing the damage debuff. How many more reasons do you need ?
And about warriors, that’s where the real joke resides. You say they want us for Battle Shout. That’s good, we have something useful, but you failed to point out that battle shout can be bought as a scroll. Sure it’s not as powerful but even with our 1 and only proper utility, there’s a replacement for it.
Wake up mate.
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You missed the whole point. They have a DH because they provide a unique debuff.
And you know, being top DPS.
Ranged DPS dominate the charts despite the fact that they’re easier to play due to fewer mechanics damaging them.
And Blizz needs to change that.
If you kept on reading the whole paragraph you would know that i didn’t, in any way possible, miss the whole point because i explicitely even talked about what other utilities you bring to your group other than that debuff. But as i said, you just want to whine and make up excuses. Past that point i give up honestly.
So much utility that Method chose to bring only 1 DH on Jaina, an AoE mongo fight. Amazing.
Dude, please. The only reason to use DH in a raid is the debuff and that’s it. We’re literally the Holy Paladins of Vanilla, only brought in for 1 thing no other class has. We’re behind every ranged class bar Hunter on DPS.
You don’t seem to get it do you ? What part of “YOU’RE WANTED IN EVERY SINGLE GROUP” don’t you understand ? And not just for 1 debuff. What do you care how many DHs are brought ? Method’s way of things is different than what you see everyday. Sure they brought 1 demon hunter but that doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t have benefited if they didn’t bring another. It’s just that their setup only requires 1. That doesn’t, in any way possible, mean that every other group in existence will just bring 1 DH.
Look past that clouded thought of yours, you’ll know what i mean.
Ok, you have your proofs. So what exactly do you want to achieve with this thread? There will be random people answering you, so what do you expect? All these people are happy with the state havoc DH is at.
Just out of curiosity. What classes/specs do you think are better than DH and why?
This is clearly not true and you can’t mean thas seriously? You really think that people take DH only for debuff? Do you truly think that it is the only unique thing they can bring?
How about AoE? Darkness? Mobility? CC (imprison). One of the best selfdefense skills (Blur)? -Taunt + blur (reset necrotic stacks on tank, safe tank…) AoE stun - what other class can bring all of these?
Our AoE damage is bursty as hell. I can delete reaping from half through combination of AoE stun, chaotic transformation (2 eye beams, more blade dances)…
You are not dependend on haste, if you take demonic build (which you should). - look at assa rogue. And I am no talking about Furious gaze talent…
Many classes have uninteresting azerite traits which adds nothing ! We have choices (do I take revolving blades, gaze for AoE? Or will I take thirsting for ST?).
Except I am not. A group of 20 wanting one DH Havoc and 0 Vengeance is statistically a very bad deal.
Do you even math? It means a guild will want 1-2 DHs, making it harder to find a guild/group.
Method min maxes, which means if they only use 1 DH theyr’e sub par.
In PVE pretty much all ranged classes except Hunter. More DPS, less dmg taken, easier to play.
In PvP pretty much every melee class.
Actually there’s not much choice. You just sim it.
Mobility? What in the world is mobility going to do in a raid? You can’t dash a boss to death. Every class has ways to avoid the AoEs, you don’t need 100 dashes for it. I could take 0 unavoidable damage without any dash if I was playing properly. Mobility means little when there’s no error in the first place.
Blur? Don’t make me laugh. As a melee you take far more dmg and do less DPS than ranged. That’s all they need to be better.
How many DHs do you expect to see in a competitive raiding guild other than 2 ? No matter how strong a class is, no one would bring more than 2 of the same class with the same role (Hell everything above 3 becomes bad and even that is pushing it up a bit).
You’re just answering yourself there buddy.
Actually no, you’re gonna bring that class if it’s above the others. Shouts and Darkness are just the cherry on top. You seem to not realise that the damage a DH reduces with Blur is damage the ranged isn’t taking due to being ranged.
Yes I can sim that at Patchwerk and say: hurray I take thirsting blades over chaotic transformation.
Or I can use my own brain and say: I am going to m+. I need AoE. It is fortified week. My ST DPS doesn’t mean that much… I could use more AoE burst 
Yes sim data can tell you a lot. But you must underestand what they represent => ideal, predeterminated situation. (You should know that if you are top DPS)
Mobility can be use for many mechanics when you need to reach you target faster. Example is “inevitable end” at rastakhan. I can return to him faster… Or I can ignore jadefire intermission phase (labyrinth in ring of peaces)
Another example is second boss at underrot. I can soak that maggots faster and continue with damaging the boss…
These arguments oppose each other.
The only part I might agree on is that ranged can more easily dodge more mechanics. But hey, they are casters. If they move, they in majority of cases lose DPS, you do not if you stay in melee range.
I’m pretty sure Chaotic sims around the same as Thirsting for me even on ST. Plus, I don’t build my gear for M+.
Cool, so can literally every melee.
Apart from DK everyone can do that.
Yeah I meant to say avoidable damage.
Yeah, about that.
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So, finally, what our decision - dh good or bad?