Watch your potty mouth. This is a Christian forum.
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Not on my watch! holds Mjölnir
What the fr*ck, don’t just curse like that on my christian forum.
I frackin’ did, ya heckin’ moo-moo!
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Reported for offensive language.
Reported for going against religious freedom.
I used to call myself Grand-Summoner, no one seemed to mind that.
anyway
the thing with warlocks is that, you either die early because of overconfidence (see fizzlebang) become corrupted by the power you claim you have full control over, and switch sides (twilight’s hammer, legion, etc.) or you just end up becoming a demon (see warlock green fire quest)
add that warlocks from the dialog I have witnessed seems to care less about formality and more about the amount of power in your bite, so to speak, I guess titles like grand warlock is very few and basically pointless
I mean outside of the black harvest and whatever happend in legion, I don’t think warlocks unionize.
there is also the fact that unlike mages, warlocks don’t have a school/city with its own government or any socially based structure to speak of.
This leads me to believe that a warlocks skill level is based on how long they manage to stay alive, where for mages your skill level is based on how many schools of magic you can master.
With that in mind, it stands to reason that a “grand warlock” is merely a self-proclaimed title any arrogant warlock will give themselves once they fancy themselves better than their peers.
As such the title carries no actual value or statues among other warlocks and exist solely for other warlocks to know beforehand that you are most likely a colossal douche.
that is my take on it, anyway
It’s just that warlocks aren’t that grand, I guess 
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Agreed. If nothing else, when someone makes a fresh mage char and slaps on the Archmage title they’re really doing most of us a favour, knowing to not take them seriously. In all my time I’ve probably only ever seen two or three Archmage RPers do it justice (not just wanting the title for power-level) and who actually put in the work OOCly aswell. As was mentioned above, it’s nice if they present some sort of research or their own writings, on AA for example.
people always go on about this research and writing thesisses and essays and whatnot when it comes to Archmages, but is this actually something that has representation in lore or is it out-of-hand headcanon like rogue DKs?
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I mean even if a Kirin Tor Archmage in lore probably has to do a bunch of research to achieve their rank (which is without the shadow of a doubt since it’s one of the highest ranks in an academic organisation) that doesn’t mean any Archmage RPer has to write it out verbatum OOCly. Like with much else in RP they can just say their character did x, y, z. Kinda like with money or any other resource.
I like to think of it as more of an OOC aspect. It’s letting other RPers know you’re actually invested in the RP, the lore, and that you have some chops to back up your claim to be among the most powerful mages.
For this person to claim their character is an Archmage I’d personally like to see their IC knowledge translate into OOC. It doesn’t have to necessarily be research or w/e, but it’s really telling when people are Archmages because they are interested in the prospects of magic RP (which will by itself often lead to them producing some sort of content, whether it be AA adventures, research, events, lectures, magic guilds, etc) - or if they just want to have a character that is more powerful than everyone elses by slapping on a title.
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The idea that you have to post on some third party website run by scam artists that run bit-coin mining ads in order to roleplay something powerful/prestigious is ridiculous.
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Okay I’ll bite, what’s the lore here?
Also put some clothes on
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Can all be IC too. Something to show they’re OOCly not just slapping on a title for the sake of roflstomping everyone and getting away with everything IC.
Who’s to say they haven’t, and you’re just not privy to it?
Now don’t get me wrong. I acknowledge that in the vast majority of cases it is as you describe. One needs only to take a momentary gander at Silvermoon; Stormwind and/or Duskwood to see that.
To expect yourself to be privy to all of this background building is ludicrous, however.
Antonidas was a good example I believe. After all, arcane in Warcraft is viewed as a sort of science and is constantly studied. So it makes sense that an Archmage (at least a KT one) would have had to make significant contributions to the understanding of the arcane and the magic schools and of course master the already known stuff in order to earn that title.
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Antonidas is a great example. He’s written alot of stuff in lore. I could find atleast three theses during the Second War, aswell as research on the plague during the Third (rip). Ansirem Runeweaver of course wrote the Schools of Arcane Magics anthology, and Khadgar used to have an in-game quest on a book he wrote on Dimensional Convergence. Vargoth researched something called the Nightborne Soulstone back in Legion aswell.
A lot of readable object in Dalaran also hint research is common among the lower ranking mages of the Kirin Tor.
Agreed, Kotur. It’s common sense. But since it’s technically not canon that Archmages have to contribute to the understanding of magic, because it doesnt explicitly say so anywhere, I guess that’s where we’re left since some people need it verbatum.
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I was thinking about Antonidas too.
Antonidas did write a lot. He has a lot of research that is still used to this day (such as the archmage mount, but his works date back to papers upon orcs and dissertations about the nature of the arcane).
The standard idea of a powerful mage in Dalaran presupposes research and love for knowledge (“all I wanted was to study”). Most mages in Dalaran have in-game papers (Ansirem for example) which are often linked with magic - for the Kirin Tor, their knowledge indicates their power indeed.
You can also go the what deeds I’ve done way. Capacity, skill and deeds can make you earn the rank of archmage for sure (Rhonin, Kalec*) but then you have the problem of translating such into your role-play. If you lead a group of mages that’s great, but otherwise it will be hard to think you’re not doing it for the sake of power alone.
You also have many mages outside the universe of the Kirin Tor who do a lot of research, from the highborne to the illidari(master kariel winthalus).
*Now that I think of it, Kalec is deemed an expert of magical artifacts by Modera. So he has likely done something useful for the Kirin Tor.
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Maybe an Archmage is just the Azerothian version of having a Doctorate?
I believe it’s mostly down to the fact that many different races have different magical academies including the Kirin Tor, causing the title ‘Archmage’ to mean various different things.
Wowhead shows a total of 335+ NPCs with the title of Archmage in the game in comparison to:
Which only comes up with a total of 3 NPCs in the game with the title (the other 10 not existing or being copies of the same NPC e.g. the multiple mentions of Alythess)
This tells us that either Grand Warlock is much harder to obtain since it seems to be a self-proclaimed title rather than one given by an organization or that it is much harder to gain than the title of Archmage which seems relatively simple to obtain if you take into account the 300+ NPCs who have it.
Edit: It should be noted that the WoWhead database doesn’t stop at one copy of a persons name so undoubtedly the ‘Archmage’ section shall also have more than a few copies but even then the number difference between the two titles is staggering.
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