So it’s already happening on Beta
https:// i.imgur. com/HqyTDLH.png
In my opinion Blizz have gone wrong with giving player power to the Covenent why not just make it so Covenents just gave cosmetics?
Spell colour changes
Abilities looking different - Newer/Older animations??
It seems to me that Covenents are going to cause issues and destroy the Illusion of choices players thought they had.
I know that will happen but next time just use ` before link. And also if you chose wrogn covenant you will never again will be avaible to play with friends in open world.
It’s beta and they want to try the Kyrian buff maybe.
Of course we will see that kind of stuff in live for minmaxing. But I don’t think it’s a problem. Your covenant will be pref for at least two of eight dungeons anyways.
And this same peopel have said when BFa was in beta/alpha it is not only beta it is almost realesed!! You have less than 60 days to dooms day. This will be another poopshow.
I even said it will be like that on live 
But what’s the problem? How is this any different from “Tol Dagor pref Rogue”?
the simple solution to this is this whole #pulltheripcord stuff, they should just allow the abilities to be changed and let people make the covenant choice based off of what they want to take rather than what they are being forced into,
blizzard are idiotic if they didnt think this kind of thing would happen, which is what they claimed during preach’s interview
It’s not a bad idea on paper, but do I think it’s going to work well with WoW’s player base? No. Their solution of making a meta difficult by building intricacy into the system it’s only going to frustrate players, and I’m not sure it’s going to work. I think covenants are going to grate people’s nerves.
I see Blizzard’s point though.
While covenant-elitism WILL happen, there’s a few things:
For a +15, which is the highest reward level, you probably won’t need to minmax covenants. So play your own key, make your own group, ignore people’s covenant, make the difference etc etc (all the stuff we are already telling people on the forums every day)
For the highest of keys, whatever level this will be in Shadowlands Season 1, minmaxing group comp, specs, talents, covenants etc is actually necessary. That’s OK though because of the covenant dungeon buffs. Every covenant will be wanted in 2 out of 8 dungeons.
In fixed high-end push-groups, you will most likely have a member of each covenant to cover them all. This is also OK because fixed high-end push groups tend to care about their setup.
I for one am in the +15 category where I won’t care about people’s covenant at all. We’ll manage, somehow 
You probably won’t need it but people will ask and go for it. Pugs are a reflection of the high push meta, and the answer can’t always be “make your own friends group” because the game moved away from this years ago.
It’s going to be a bloodbath between the removal of the buff scroll, the dungeon specific bonuses, the class bonuses from covenants etc etc etc
why not? what is stopping you?
it’s not like we have a right to get invited by others.
My friends are in diffrent covenant so they cannot do quest with me 
the fact that i may play in different hrs than my regular group most of the week?
the fact that my own group isn’t always ready for a key with me because they have other thing to do?
the fact that the rest of my group may be made of good people who i like to play with but are not at my level so i need other people to push?
etc etc etc.
this “make your group” as answer to all the world problems mantra has to end at some point.
How does this make you entitled to getting invited though?
For these kind of issues, there have been tons of communities that are more relaxed with inviting - nothing stops you from joining those either.
Inviting only white skin human players, check before invite in Swormwind.
All this bothers me even if I do not pug at all.
I simply do not want to feel I am missing out on power based on my cov choices.
For example I want my paladin to be Kyrian due to their theme, necrolord DK, Venthyr warlock, Night Fae Druid etc.
The player power in the covenant choices bothers me by just existing and I am sure there are many more who feel that way.
The gameplay design team are dum dum dum or intoxicated by smelling their own gasses in a closed space if they think that this will go well based on the precedent established in Legion and BFA
It doesn’t as much as it doesn’t for everyone else as a person.
As a spec, it does. Because if for every dungeon i have to be bounced because
the amount of times i will actually play becomes extremely limited and built exclusively around my small group of friends.
Which either will bring tons of people who plays at strange hrs or are outside the guild system to play exclusively meta class/spec dropping everything else, or not play at all.
The game should encourage interaction between players, meet new players while doing stuff and make new friends, not going the opposite way, closing people in their own small group, or resort to outside game sources like discord groups.
and yet you managed to time +21s as a prot pally although most pugs would probably prefer a warrior. See? No Problem.
It will be the same with covenant.
Pref covenant X - oh there’s a really good tank with covenant Y? Cool, let’s take them anyway. We’ll manage.
It’s always been like that but replace Discord with other things. Most realms had an active IRC channel for example…
Guilds have been a thing since day 1.
And you get to know a lot of nice new people in those communities.
Suuuuuuuuure…
Right now, you have 2 things to discriminate on - rio and spec. You can refuse to take certain specs, like stealth rogues, and on rio. Covenants are adding another layer of discrimination and I think that can also be good. Because you have these meta wannabes, who have no idea what they’re doing and can’t do a skip on Shrine of the Storm if their life depended on it, but they will discriminate against you, call your spec trash, refuse to take you solely based on your rio. And giving these people one more tier of separation would be good because I don’t want to play with them.
Generally speaking the people having a problem with discrimination against them can simply form their own groups. I’ve seen so many people complain about rio discrimination and the easy solution is to just run your own key. And also play a tank.
the dungeon finder is a lie. In fact, I think everyone’s game experience will be vastly improved if they stopped using it. Just run dungeons with a guild. In general, making guilds less relevant pushed WoW in this new direction where everyone is expected to be a meta boy.
With guilds, all that mattered is if you were useful to your guild, if they enjoyed playing with you. You had your own community of a few dozen people and it was fun. That is rare these days, I’d wager most players by a huge margin lack a guild that feels like a community.
This is the main problem with WoW player mentality. Over the past month most of the dungeons I’ve ran were me helping others gear up. If your group is behind you, you help them. They are your group. This is your own selfishness, your own realization that the game is simply not fun and if there’s no personal reward at the end, there’s no reason to play. WoW becomes a more fun game the moment you break that conditioning.
Nope you can be banned for this, once I was trying make group for only white people with blue eyes.
There’s a difference between actual racism and minmaxing numbers really.
The only thing they have in common is that neither are necessary in +15s