Are the Night Elves immortal now or did the dragons get all the rewards

They asked it back in Cata when Nozdormu could have blessed Teldrasil but he refused because he thought that was arrogant.

Before the sundering, was Azshara not their queen? One empire from witch all elfs derive from? The names you reffer is more of a cast system they had in their empire.

Pretty much all the ones that left to become the other Elven races (or Naga) were Highborne, so it’s fair to say that almost all of the people we call Night elves today were lowborn, with the notable exception of a few of the mages from Eldre’thalas who reunited with the Night elves during “Cataclysm”, but lorewise there weren’t all that many of those.

I see now I forgot to answer to this
No. Death Knights was raised with their bodies intact. Unlike sylvanus and banshees. Arthas literary ripped their souls out of their bodies. Quite a different example. Almost different race.
The way it works. When DK is raised from the deaad. His or hers body is raised with their spirit, even though their will was at first controlled by Lich King/Arthas/Frostmourne/Helm of Domination.
Arthas was a first Death Knight and he didn’t even die. So you can see the difference. If you didn’t play wc3, I suggest you do it. Put it on normal so you can go faster through it and you will see the difference between Arthas the Death Knight and banshees. Dk equals soul (twisted but still a soul) and body
Banshee. Soul ripped from the body and body discarted. Banshes was used to control living

There I hope that is more clearer to you now

Dude, these people don’t even know basic lore and cherry-pick examples to fit their confirmation bias, which doesn’t work when you look at them for 2 seconds because they miss remember them. This one didn’t even know the basic definitions of words such as immortality or how it’s been used in literature and mythology, thinking it meant invulnerability or indestructibility. :joy: It just goes to show how many people don’t even bother to read or pay attention to their own cultures, let alone those in video games and yet would like to lecture others as if they are experts.

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So a CAST system with high and lowborn, all being the same race.

And when he lost his controll over her, she reclaimed her dead ELVEN body. She didnt just manifest a corporal form from nothing and choose to look elven.

And neither do you clearly but you just wont admit it, a pridefull lil S***

I just told you she did. But before that she was an evil spirit who served Lich king. Bodyless and shapeless. That is what banshees are.
You asked what is the difference between banshee and DK. I explained.
That she got her body back, yes she did, I just don’t remember how and when.

Yes a cast system. Highborne and lowborn. Most of highborne fought for Azshara and Legion. None of lowborne fought for that. Even Kur’thalos Ravencrest who was highborne at first fought against Legion only for one reason. He couldn’t believe His belowed queen Azshara could have caused all that. He fought even harder when he did.

I know . Still I guess it’s my punishment to try to help them to realize they are wrong :smiley:

I don’t need to; I can look at the dictionary, and it’s there with examples. It’s not pride (arrogant/hubris is the words you actually need to use in this context) when you are correct.

In Greek myth, the gods gain immortality from a substance called Ambrosia, conferring longevity to those who consume it.

In Celtic myth, the gods gained their immortality from drinking the waters of Tir Na Nog or the Otherworld, conferring longevity.

In Norse myth, they owe their youth and vitality to the goddess Idunn and her magical apples.

In literature, the philosopher stone produces a liquid which will stop the user from dying of old age and heal wounds.

Vampires are immortal as their curse not only grants them supernatural ability but stops them from ageing and even reverses it if they consume more blood.

All of these beings are destroyed repeatedly, and some in a fierce fashion. Thor dies to Jormungand, Odin dies to Fenrir, and Baulder dies to an arrow. Zues dies to Typhon and Zagreus was torn apart by the Titans. Dozens of the Celtic gods die in the war with the Fir-Bolg especially the first God King Nuada.

Immortality never has meant indestructibility or invulnerability only longevity and it usually comes at a cost to mortals, you have been watching too much anime.

The pinnacle of immortal beings the very gods themselves will have their fate decided and the world with them. In almost every religion/ mythos there is a cataclysmic event that even the gods can’t escape. A lot of the time their supposed invulnerability has nothing to do with their immortality but due to the fact they are gods or a being which is extremely dangerous to humans.

No i didnt? I asked if they counted as their original race or not. And shes not longer a true banshee as she got her elven corpse back to puppet like most other undead do. Shes an undead +. Undead/DKs are spirits put back into their bodies by force. She forced herself into her own body with the help of a Valk’yr ritual. In both cases its a spirit form entering a dead body. If one of them reclaims their race, both do and this was my point in asking you that question. Be consistent on the way you argue!

Those that became Nightborne didnt, those that became High elfs didnt. And main point was that as a whole, the race of elfs are THE most corruptible race in wow as they have at this point joined every single dark force known so far. And therefore are not deserving if this false immortality nor being Elunes chosen!

They are now split into diffrent societies and nations but they are of the same race and came from 1 single empire. If you or the other person keep arguing this point you might aswell argue that Kul tirans, ppl from Lordaeron, Stormwind etc are not of the same race.

Oh but it is.

If a mortal is shot by an arrow can they die? Yes
If an immortal is shot by an arrow can they die? No! Its not ONLY that they dont age, they cant die by normal means nor get sick. There are diffrent degrees of immortality yes and usualy a set of rules as to how one can die but yes they can die.

Now could an Nelf die by being shot by an arrow pre WC3? Yes! Therefore not truly immortal.

PS: Didnt read after the part i quoted.

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This is what I answered you already

No those Highborne which are now called nightborne didn’t fought Azshara and Legion. They was cowards who raised a shield above Suramar and became besties with Legion during last 10 000 years :stuck_out_tongue:
As a whole. Only small part of Kaldorei race became corrupted.
Certanly not Kaldorei who fought against Legion. They remain unchanged and uncorrupted
Only part of Kaldorei race so corruptable was Quel’dorei from which they deveolved to high Elves and later became Blood Elves and Void elves.
Kaldorei, as a race still exist. DO you see them corrupted? I don’t.
High Elves became junkies with Sunwell, then they started to suck Fell, now I have no clue what they even are anymore :stuck_out_tongue:

Kaldorei and High Elves are NOT same race anymore. Nightborne and Kaldorei are not same race anymore. Neither are Nightborne and Blood Elves :stuck_out_tongue:
Now Quel’dorei of Eldre’thalas (Dire Maul) and Kaldorei remained unchanged and they are the same race :stuck_out_tongue:

No, it simply refers to longevity and the vitality which comes with it, so they are not going to die of natural causes. The invulnerability to non-magical weaponry has nothing to do with their immortality but because they aren’t human. :joy:

A silver bullet must shoot a werewolf; it doesn’t make it immortal. Immortality only refers to longevity and the vitality that comes with it you add a bunch of different aspects of supernatural creatures together calling it immortality when it simply refers to a being that is timeless, not one which is invulnerable.

Baulder was invulnerable nothing could kill him even to the point the gods made games of this, except with Mistletoe but that was due to Freya forgetting to ask it for its oath not to harm him and an arrow did kill him.

There is no spectrum of immortality you either live forever or you don’t. Creatures which live a long life are just called long-lived such as elves in Warcraft but they are not immortal and were immortal during Warcraft 3 as they were timeless beings.

There are different ways of achieving immortality such as drinking a substance, holding your soul in a philactroy, becoming a demon or a cursed being, being blessed by a god etc but it’s not a spectrum it’s an outcome of something you’ve done or are doing.

The word mortal is
(of a living human being, often in contrast to a divine being) subject to death.

“all men are mortal” or a human being subject to death, as opposed to a divine being.

“capacities only possible of God rather than mortals”

Gods are immortal by definition of being Devine in nature as they are timeless but they can be destroyed, do get destroyed and it’s never at mortal hands but either their own or another god, or godlike creature such as with the Fir-Bolg, Titans, giants, Femorians etc.

Made my morning. :joy::joy::joy:

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