It just seems to be the weekly 10s/3k/HC raid/one button assistant users/ casual players that want this… the ones who realistically don’t even need them. Every single post i see by people saying it is good is either hiding their main or doesn’t do any content.
It’s so very odd to have this opinion that other people don’t need them when they arent even in content hard enough to know
as a 7 cutting edge haver, and somewhat big key pusher in the past.
Im positive for the change
half the high end gamers cant even do their rotation, hold aggro, and do mechanics without 87 weak auras and 18 add-ons
it will even the scales and maybe make high end gaming fun again cus atm its dogbad and big majority of people playing it are 30+ people who’re unemployed and dont have much going in life lmao
But you aren’t doing it now. Content is substantially harder than it ever was. Resilient exists. People push harder than they ever did back when you played seriously
that’s what is required for that content, i believe. Unless someone plays at the same level…how can they dictate otherwise? It makes no sense.
did you use combat addons for this?
why would other people not using addons have any effect on your fun? Would them being employed be more fun for you also? I don’t understand lol.
yeah usually that’s what happens when it gets extremely boring - you stop
Raids are objectively easier
keys dont have affixes, and on top of that you have resilient keys which makes keys much easier as well so which content is “substantially harder” exactly lmao
people I used to push with are in top 10 runs right now, and according to them it all got easier to push keys as long as you have a pre-made group to do it with.
what are u even saying
a few
I said it in initial post but since we’ve decided to be dense today - ill repeat - It will even the scales - meaning you can compete based on raw skill level instead of cheesing half the game via installing 27 addons.
there’s a reason addons arent allowed on competitions lmao
it’s harder because people are pushing higher relative. People get more skilled over time.
yeah but that itself is a high requirement. Finding 4 other people that aren’t clowns. Do they not use combat addons either? Yes they do. Just like you did.
you don’t play at their level now and even when you did high keys you used addons. Hypocrite. I saw your meltdown on raider. io too. I did chuckle. Incel this and now saying people are over 30 and unemployed lol.
It seems like you are the one that put so much self worth in your “rank 1” and then fell off xD
You probably should download a few more addons than the top guys and you might have a chance lmao
This argument of “it will make the game better” is so ridiculous
Dumbing down the game to the point you dont need addons sounds great on paper, but playing it is a whole different ballpark.
Classes are gutted, dungeons/raids gutted to “align” with having no combat addons, that sounds like a lot of dumbing down, and the extreme opposite of “fun”
“Finally people will be able to show their skill instead of following an addon”
meanwhile rotations are 2 to 3 buttons and all buttons that had any skill required to use are removed, please make it make sense
Yup… i don’t understand the mental gymnastics people use for it. It’s the same argument as “soloq will fix m+” when no tanks or healer will use it lmao.
I am starting to think there is something really very wrong with your average forums poster xD
I have no idea in all honesty, these people keep talking about showing “skill” while the game is dumbed down to the level of a mobile game that has autoplay on, you basically have 0 way of showing any skill in Midnight from what I’ve seen on the alpha so far, you do your rotation and… that’s it, you interrupt but yeah that’s pretty much it, there are no “additional” fun buttons to use, that would be too “complex”, so we’re left with completely barren hotbars
Any identity from classes is also removed (icy veins from frost mages is a good example) for the sake of making everything easier
Why are there so many bars when in midnight you can only fill half of one ? to fill it with food, flasks and a million mounts?
Let’s not even talk about the absolutely atrocious vanilla UI, I’d get banned if I spoke my mind on it
the same people defending one button assist no doubt lmao.
Yeah i agree, the rumours about it coming to console seem very likely.
Blizzard thinks that making the game easier will attract players en masse. Maybe…but they will be fairweather low end players that nobody is interested in. The high end players carry the hype with raid/high end m+ will fizzle out and leave.
yeah absolute trash from what i’ve seen. Over a decade of functionality just rug pulled and the lemons that couldn’t design their way out of a cardboard box are in charge lmao
I’m happy with the addon changes and happy with the prune in principle.
In practice blizzard’s alternatives range from incomplete to nonexistent and specs I play are losing core components that make them fun / interesting instead of bloated CDs.
This is the biggest 180 in excited I’ve ever had for WoW due to an announcement.
if the company was competent and i had faith that they could achieve what they want and make baseline equivalents i would 100% be with them. But they prove time and time again that they cannot.
this should be a gradual process
Both good and bad.
Good that i will no longer be able or have the need to rely on addons and weakauras.
Bad in that we have to wait for blizzard to add each and every single feature current weakaura and addons have to make so it doesnt feel like we are playing classic again.
you mean IF they add them. Lol
This.
The funny thing is most very high level players, like the ones you hear about on streams or in tournaments, on the race to world first etc, they all do fine without addons, they all play with highly coordinated groups on people on voice, they all have decades of experience, they all know their classes like the back of their hand, they are the ones who don’t really need addons
It’s the random HC pugs, the M+ group finder people, the people playing solo pvp, who will feel this impact the most, since the randomness and uncertainty is what makes combat addons so useful, people who pug don’t have access to this information now, and that is a problem. If someone in liquid wants to know something, they have a raid leader on voice who is available 24/7 for callouts on cooldowns, movement, or mechanics, they don’t need weakauras, the random pugs do
Max literally talked about this on stream, how the people just ripping the liquid weakauras straight up are literally gaining basically nothing useful, since they are made to be tweaked by the liquid players, not just used as an addon pack
I think ill listen to you!! thank you for your input!
how would you know what’s hard if your peak is casual content tho? 
No I probably wont play at their level for the rest of this expansion if ever because I invest my time and effort somewhere else, dunno how’s that even relevant but go off
and yeah I did use addons but none of those were combat addons but again go off
wouldnt expect a pig peaking 15s to understand what irony is but just to break it down to you, it is a joke i laugh at with my friends
thank you for your input again, ill do that so I can do 15 keys like you because its so cool to be doing 15s this late in expansion!!
Why does this even bother u? I dont mythic raid or even i dont do m+ anymore and yes its a good change that they purge addons well they dont purge them but ye.
What is so fun to use 20 combat addons/weakauras? Its not that the so called casual players are bad players. First u need to look for those addons then u need to look for specific weakauras after that u need to costumise them to your self preference. Thats not fun and its timeconsuming. U know some people have a life a family a household that they need to care for so yes they just dont have the time to put so many hours in wow. I am sick of try hards who always looks down on people with a life.
I have a life. I have kids. I play 4h a week. And yet. Addons are something good. Positive. The compensate for the fact that I dont have that many hours to practice dungeons.
Do NOT be confused by all the fake news. Blizzard is NOT making the game so that it can be played with out addons. It’s making Mythic Raids (SPECIFICALLY) to be done with addons THEY control.
Just to prove my point:
You say it sucks to download an addon and have to configure it. Then welcome to midnight:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NHXQHWeALRw
Now you have to press escape and spend the same amount of time configuring Blizzard’s addon that does the SAME THING as Plater.
But there is ONE difference: You cant customize. And if it bugs, Blizzard will take 7 months to fix it. Like they usually do. So you have to eat whatever Blizzard poops out with no alternatives allowed.
And this time. There is ZERO excuse not to have Blizzard’s own customized addons. So dont worry. They WILL make content assuming that you have those properly configured.
Dont forget. While Blizzard was doing Mythic Raids with addons in mind, it was also doing the opposite side of the spectrum (the easy side) with out considering them. Now, 100% for certain they will assume and force everyone to use their Default UI. Like it or not.
Welcome to Midnight. Where to fix 0.1% of RTWF raids they kicked 99.9% of us in the nuts.
Yes you can customize it. And it’s prob going to be configured in a sensible default, so that part is prob optional for most content…perhaps not as customizable as Plater, but so be it.
And yes, the whole point here is that Blizzard is going to supply all the (somewhat mandatory) tooling needed to tackle content they design…something they should have done since the start - instead of relying / having a weird co-dependency on third-party suppliers.
I’m not sure how this can be seen as a bad thing. If you do, perhaps try to look at it from someone else’s perspective.
So majority of the playerbase?