Are there any players doing higher keys/mythic raid happy that combat addons are going?

Quite simple. Blizzard’s “monopoly” will allow to make their “addons” subpar or just the barest of the bare barebones and get away with it cause there wont be “those evil 3rd party” authors making them with all the customization options people are used to atm, stealing their spotlight.
And in “before, Blizz can make it good”. Even if they “can” make it good, whats their motivation to do so?
Now if the-in-game shop breaks down, you can beat your house that they will even pull the devs out of their beds during the night to fix it pronto, UI bugs? As Uda already mentioned…maybe in 7 months…if they are feeling in the mood for it.

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Their click casting has been bugged for at least 1,5 years so I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for fixes :joy:

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And those/we are the only voice that matters in that regard, because anything higher than +10 in Mythic+ is just additional grind challenge for those actively looking for it. It’s not meant to be super accessible difficulty levels. It’s meant to be challenging to determine title rating and such.

Same reason PvP has a Tabard and Extra title for the best players that finish the season with highest leaderboard rating. Also stuff not meant for everyone.

And the game is not as unplayable as Addon-crackies and meta-slaves want to make you believe. I play without addons for years regarding combat and never really needed them.

So be it? Are you kidding? All this drama to not allow us to draw circles instead of boxes? Seems 100% dumb.

I like my UI. What you are basically saying is that Blizzard dosent like the color beige (like I have it) and wants it green for everyone. Is that what all this boils down to?

Yeah, but if it’s functionally the SAME thing as third-party suppliers, why cut off said third-party suppliers? Especially if it’s WORSE than what they provide. It seems dumb to me.

Because functionally we are getting the same thing as we do now. Literally. Same complicated specs. Same reliance on addons. Same… exact… thing…

But I am not allowed to have MY UI the way I (ME) like it. It has to be the way Blizzard wants it?

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they absolutely do. Have you tried playing arcane without addons? Have you tried shotcallign without seeing their cds? I won’t list everything but this is just false. It also removes mental load in a world where every ability one shots (making the game obe button assist or boring with pruned classes isn’t the fix either)

oh yeah? you do 10s. We did that week 1. You tell me you don’t need addons to do the equivalent of pet battles but in m+? :shockedpickachuface.

THIS is the problem. You have no clue what it is to do that content. Yet you think you can dictate to others how it should be. I only got to resi 15 before idiots made me not want to play anymore but i have atleast some idea what it would be to push even higher.

It’s like someone who has only ever seen a picture of a football trying to dictate to pro players how they play. No hate, but you should stay in your lane

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Lol so funny that some people panic of this hahaha their lovely addons are being removed hahahahaha, yes blizzard will have bugs or the addons they provide are going to miss those functions but tbh thats not going to be the end of the world.

Ow man this comment really infuriate me so hard. Everyone can have their opinion u are not entitled be glad that the so called like myself CASUALS play this game for FUN, we are the reason why wow still exist not u the so called 0.1% players.

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Good. I hope it stings because it is true. You speak on something you no nothing about. It is an uninformed opinion.

When i get hurt i go to see a doctor, i don’t ask Jim from the pub what i should do lmao.

High end players/personalities carry this game. MDI/RWF streamers etc. Not foggy nobodies trying to ruin what the game is, so they can play 1 month per season then quit.

If u think that hahaha the joke is on u.

I already know it is true. You are just another one of the 3k max players who puts in minimal effort. The worst people to pander to as you want to put in zero effort. You would love to log in, get full 730 and then log off. Just that garbage lazy mentality

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From the US forums

the nameplates as they are currently on alpha

those are the people we are supposed to trust to replace DBM/WA with in-built instead and make the UI a little bit more bearable

(watch the entire videos, the nameplates are flying all over the place, left to right, up and down and all over)

https://imgur.com/a/fF7NkDM
https://imgur.com/a/xQzcukU

This is what we’re supposed to be using instead of Plater.

And you people encouraging the addon “purge” say this is good for the game and will make the game better long term.

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Alpha just started so no this is not final

U dont know me now i see u are from kazzak explains alot.

I watched Sha making a video about it. Nameplates literally flying about, as if a clamp function shouldn’t be in literally the first iteration.

Just hire WA devs, plater devs etc and this nightmare ends. Decades of work purely about function vs dyed haired political activists (aka Blizzard devs) wondering how can they politicize nameplates. Geez i wonder who is better at design? At least we will have rainbow nameplates if nothing else. /spit

what are you rambling about now Andy? Is there something wrong with Kazzak players? Weird way to condemn an entire server

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All the changes seem very much geared in that direction.

If I had to guess how that would go I would say that they will attract a bunch of new players in the short term, who probably won’t stick around, at the expensive of alienating a lot of the current core audience.

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Idk if you can count me in on that. I’m currently doing my 16s but am on a slight hiatus due to Remix right now. Not that I play a lot of Remix but my friends do and hardly an keys are open at this point. :frowning:
(Not on this character. I can provide my mains Rio link if you need that verification :smiley: )

Anyways btt - I like the concept/idea they’re going for. Requiring less addons and being able to design encounters without having 10 addons and 87 WeakAuras in mind is also a positive thing.

We all know it was an arms race as both sides actively talked about this already. Blizzard had to design raid encounters with addons and especially WAs in mind, which is not really a good premise for designing games.
So they only had 2 options: a) Remove those combat addons or b) design encounters without addons/WAs in mind and ignore mythic raiders complaining about bosses being too easy.

What I dread however is the execution. Blizzard has proven that they’re rather … unlucky … when it comes to executing their ideas.
They’re now trying to re-create addons and judging by their “CD manager”, it’s severely lacking.

I’d imagine it’ll be the same for something like Nameplates (Plater).

I’m also curious as to how CD management (as a tank/party) will look like.
Currently, you do plan certain pulls around your parties available CDs, obviously. Having OmniCD for that is not really an option, it’s just needed.
Will Blizzard either make their own version of that too or will they design trash packs in a way that this will be absolutely unnecessary? Because if so, dungeons could probably become kinda boring.

Not that CD tracking itself is super exciting but when you don’t need to track CDs for certain pulls there is the implication of all pulls being so easy that CDs are unnecessary anyways.

Tbf, absolutely nobody needs any addon to do +10s. Nothing in a 10 is scary/dangerous enough that requires any tracking. The game is already balanced like that, so with that argument in mind the change wouldn’t make that much sense.

The change is, most likely, happening because Mythic Raid encounters kinda got out of hand.

Bottom line is: I’d be fine with removing (combat) addons if the game is properly balanced around it AND Blizzards own implementations are actually good.
Less addons also means more game performance, which is actually noticable ingame.

I think it’s a severe mistake to remove other addons that don’t really influence combat though and are just used to customize the UI.

But again - I think Blizzard is underestimating this.

Oh my God… :rofl: Let’s say that… Blizzard met my expectations. Yeah, it’s still alpha but c’mon :smiley:

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As a CE raider, I think addon purge is good. I’m personally tired of my game gasping for air every time a boss is pulled because the game needs to load my 93 liquid weak auras instantly.

However, I also use WA for tracking my feral abilities, cp’s, energy and health, but more importantly my dot pandemic window. I don’t really want ALL of WA gone, only the part that makes the game worse.

Bigwigs is being allowed it seems, so that’s nyot going away in its entirety which I think is also fine. Truthfully I don’t know. I’ll see if I like it. And if I don’t, well, guess I’ll play something else. :woman_shrugging:

The first thing you do after downloading the game and logging in is what???

You get your ADDONS first, of course!

I saw someone saying, “I need my GTFO addon to wake me up…” Well, bro, if you need an addon to tell you to move, then honestly, you shouldn’t be playing at all. (And by the way, there’s already a built-in alert for that in WoW.)

I agree that devs should listen to the players’ feedback, but come on, this isn’t our game. We can like it or not, but it’s still someone else’s creation.

A good friend of mine, who’s an art director in the gaming industry, once said something brilliant:

When you read a book, you read it the way the author wrote it.
You might like it, you might not.
But you don’t call the author to tell him what doesn’t suit you.

It’s the same with games. It’s someone’s vision, someone’s idea. You can love it or hate it, but the most important thing is that the game should be played as intended.

We have been too used to this system for far too long, and now people are panicking, not knowing what to do or how to adapt. The answer is simple: adapt, and become the best at it again.

I do believe there will be less customization overall, but still enough for solid, normal gameplay.

Also, in the long run, I think this might help rebuild the community a bit, since people will rely more on Discord and direct interaction.

I have been playing this game on and off for a very long time, since the end of TBC. I have played it both hardcore and casual, and from my personal experience, I honestly think this is a fundamental change that should have happened a long time ago.

My guess is that they do not have the resources available to go through the API to fine tune a compromise between decent customisability and limited access to combat data. So they are going tabula rasa for now, until they get enough data from “live testing” to walk back on specific changes later. The question is how many third party developers will have moved on by the time they decide to open the API up a little again. Cutting off someone’s funding out of the blue is not a confidence inspiring move for third party suppliers.

Newsflash brightbrain! Going higher is OPTIONAL WITHOUT ACTUAL REWARD!

It’s like speedrunning in video games but complaining the game isn’t centered around that playstyle.

Factually, there is only 1 reasonable reward past +10 keys and that’s the additional mount at 3000 rating.

Beyond that, a title for the 0.1% best Mythic players of their respective region. A title people will neither recognize, nor treat you any special for anyways in general.

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/mythic-plus-dungeons/the-war-within-season-3/loot-drops-mounts

You are literally complaining about me telling you, that the majority of players don’t effing care about anything coming after 3000 rating.

Cool for you and a few thousand others that care about a lottery-chance at a title no one gives a :poop: about anyways. Meanwhile the other million of players playing this game would prefer the game to be actually good and new player friendly.