The two quests i found not working?
They did work in WM on though and i completed them, serious thing to fix.
Also, do you even understand how marketing works?
You dont demand and get, the more of a hassle you make, the bigger the waiting, the bigger the hype and their money earning is.
Get over yourself please.
Yeah they had issues with BFA, quit it because everybody was watching classic streams then they came back to BFA with a great hype.
Cant you even understand you are being used and abused by them?
Seriously guys what is wrong with you.
Modesty, gives a feel of superiority to the forum whiners that could not complete LFR yet whine how braindead BFA was⊠Marketing trick, your call to get baited and be treated as a sheep, again.
So we do agree that Shadowlands in its current state is not finished.
This is totally irrelevant. It doesnât even make sense in the context of the discussion, which is about whether the product is currently finished or not.
This is a ridiculously generalized and superficial take on the matter. Iâm sure there are âwhinerâ streamers with no arguments, but there are also streamers who definitely gave arguments to support their opinion of BFA. Again, Ion even agreed with some of these opinions, like the unfinished state of Azerite armor at expansion launch as example.
Furthermore, âused and abusedâ how exactly? I donât see a streamer as anything else than other players and I consider the opinions presented with exactly the same grain of salt as any other players: I evaluate them on the merits of their arguments, not on the status of whoever is presenting them.
WoW has no business being like a Diablo-like game. They are different genres that appeal to different people
If only it was just for me. I see too many people who seem to see that Acti/Blizz has altered the deal too much for the worse. Why have they long since stopped being proud of their subscriber numbers? WoW is way past its astronomical player base it once had.
No, we do agree though youre out of silly excuses cornered in a fact called âgoogle itâ
Its not irrelevant when you are not the sheep, in our case you are. You fail to understand how marketing works and gives you the false sense that you are able to whine and have an opinion without knowing anything.
A man once said: If they talk about you, weather bad or good its still a popularity bonus.
Not had a single valid argument, they just whined about BFA because classic gave them a 1-2 month window of increased views and popularity, then they returned heartbroken and bent then knee to BFA that they so uselessly whined about, like you do now.
At least they used you to make money, you on the other hand a sheep following your sheppard what exactly did you make besides yourself seem funny in the forums? Nothing im afraid
You cannot claim there are still quests which cannot be completed with WM off and that the product is âfinishedâ unless your definition of âfinshed productâ is significantly different from mine.
This is a load of BS.
First of all, there is no âfalse senseâ: everyone is in fact able to âwhine and have an opinion without knowing anythingâ. What you might argue is that there is lack of an informed opinion, but this requires to tackle the arguments presented with something more than âitâs for marketing!â, which is a load of BS in itself.
Furthermore, the one with a ridiculously superficial understanding of marketing is you:
âThere is no such thing as bad publicityâ is a gross simplification: itâs true that if you are relatively obscure getting any kind of visibility, even negative, could be a net advantage, but if you are already well known, a company is likely to do anything to preserve itself from being involved in negative publicity. This is a well know fact.
Furthermore, there is another well know saying: âyou have only one chance to make a good first impressionâ. This is also not always true, but something everyone wanting to launch a new product need to at least consider.
Many argued that the Azerite system had issues, Blizzard thought to know better and ignored the feedback, only to find out later they did not, admitted they made mistakes when they designed the system and had to fix it post launch.
Note that they actually implemented the changes, which means it was clearly far more than some sort of âmarketing ployâ.
Except I donât follow any streamer: I occasionally listen or read about their opinion when they get linked in articles and such, exactly like I do with other sources of information about the game, be them journalists, blue posts, forum posts or whatever.
Furthermore, itâs a matter of fact that Blizzard decided to rely on some streamers to publicly debate Shadowlandsâ development topics, so itâs not exactly a viewerâs fault that they have to listen to them if they want to learn more about it.
In general, you should really focus on the arguments if you want to be taken seriously in a discussion. Whether Iâm a âsheepâ or not, whether I âseem funnyâ or not has exactly zero relevance on the validity or not of my arguments. Your opinion on me is totally irrelevant.
Often users cannot tell you what should be done: they can tell you they have issue with something, but this is just like a symptom. A developer has to then take the feedback and find out the root cause of the problem, which is usually not as obvious as users think.
Basically giving the users what they want is unlikely to work, but finding out why users are telling you they want something and what the underlying problem is, that will allow you to design the âproperâ solution that will actually satisfy them.
Itâs actually a pretty difficult task to accomplish properly and requires talent and experience, but itâs a crucial step to deliver high quality products that satisfy the users.
I love how when something bad happens itâs because of Activision. No, itâs because of Blizzard and their ego and bad ideas. Plenty of good things happened as well since they merged, wotlk, mop, legion, even cata wasnât horrible. Somehow those are never mentioned when itâs about how Blizzard is âdeadâ since their merge (interesting how they are dead for 12 years now and still doing pretty well). Activision is also not responsible for bad BfA ideas, they are also not the ones who tell Blizzard to release the game with locked covenants and ignore feedback about it but fix Thorgast according to feedback.
So now you admit there are PC games like this lol. Just before you denied their existence.
You canât really change that tho. It will stay most likely and in my opinion itâs good. Itâs always good to get later unobtainable rewards for hard content.
Players after first Prune in WoD: ââWe dont like loosing iconic abilities, plz dont remove moreââ
Legion another prune. Players: ââWhere are my Abilities?.. plz bring back our abilities. We also dont like the idea about borrowed powerââ
BFA BETA and ALPHA full of feedback. Players quit.
BFA more stuff gets removed also brings another Borrowed Power. Players: ââSeriously, we dont like loosing stuff and borrowed power is badââ
Another huge Feedback in Alpha and Beta for SL. Players quit
Finally some abilities return (6 years) but brings another borrowed power system. Players: ââWE DONT LIKE BORROWED POWER.ââ
Even more players quit. (Soon TM)
BLIZZARD / ION: I am out of touch? ⊠No its the players that are wrong!
And I didnt even mentioned that every single BORROWED POWER System was bad and needed some serious fixes AFTER the Expansion launched. I also didnt mentioned the horrible Balance of the game and the allmost non existent tuning in the expansion.
Blizzard is incredibly out of touch and ignore most of the feedback. Ion especially acts like a little stubborn child.
This game is bleeding. Will it die in the next 2-3 years? Probably not. But slowly and steady it bleeds⊠sooner or later it will just need a little push, be it a new good mmorpg ( I would love that) or maintenance-mode because the lack of players.
i think Ion and the people making the decisions have long ago lost touch with the playerbase. thats why we have problem after problem, and when players raise concerns or suggest fixes, blizz dont listen. just look at the problems weâve had over the last 6 years at least. they then even make fun about it like the grave in WoD with a name on the gravestone saying âRay D Tearâ. WoD could have been a strong expansion if there had been more content, and the overall garrison was looked at more. and then there would have been no issue about worst expansion ever cough bfa cough.
the other massive factor is the higher ups (activision blizzard) do not care about players and are constantly looking at just making money. as such, they wont listen to us cause they already have a plan made.
also, its easier to avoid flack and vitriol (warranted) by just ignoring us.
someone mentioned this, i cant remember who, maybe bellular. theyâve just gone silent this year. i know covid etc, but its like theyâve just totally gone and bunkered.
