There is a horde guy in one of the threads telling the story (with pictures) of how there was a raid vs raid battle, for example. And like it or not, warmode is certainly more contested than hordemode was.
In the end, it’s a start. And no, I read these threads since the system was introduced over a month ago, not just the last two days. They were simply not as virulent as they are today, because the 370 item was probably making fewer people salty at that time compared to the 400 item now.
Their stated goal for introducing this mechanic, which was to increase the number of undermanned faction players in warmode.
You say it as a bad thing, but the shareholders are probably happy about that too. Even more reason for them to keep at it. And since WoW is being designed for shareholders, not gamers…
I’m not optimistic about anything in WoW atm. You mistake my personal feelings about this to me explaining that according to Blizzard logic it works. And it does. Imagine yourself not as someone playing the game (it’s doubtful WoW designers still play their game), but as someone reading metrics about the game. It shows something like “1st of December 2018 - Alliance participation in Warmode in US = 235000 minutes, Horde 236831000 minutes; 23rd of January, Alliance participation 27895000 minutes, Horde 224518000 minutes”. Add to that a graph with a trend showing increased Alliance participation, and there you have it: warmode imbalance problem on way to being solved. Job done, lets go have a margarita cocktail.
It is meaningless to attract people into Warmode with PvE rewards: what you get is a bunch of players with Warmode enabled but with no actual interest and very little World PvP activity.
The main point of Warmode should be World PvP, not boosted PvE with the occasional setback when PvP actually happens (which is basically the current situation).
its not completely pointless i moved 2 of my 3 toons to permanent warmode on just to see if its as bad as people say and yes the horde seem to be more organised zerg wise but i actually had more fun than just the usual quest/grind fest
Stand at a FP (with 2/3+ other players) farm Horde as they land.
Or go to the World Boss if it’s in Kul’Tiras and do the same.
Not that I blame Alliance players doing this - I’d do it if the reward was there…
But the reward shouldn’t be there in the first place as this was always going to be the logical outcome.
yea a friend of mine went to the summoning stone and farmed kills there … I found this reprehensible but blizzard enables this sort of unfair behaviour because of trying to force us to do pvp … hey ho.
It is not fair or good gameplay, but it is completely understandable.
You get a guaranteed item with a baselevel you have only 16 chances this week (9 bosses + 7 bonus rolls) in heroic BoDA. Otherwise you need to take your chances and hope for upgrades.
There is no need to be ashamed to take an advantage a game offers you within it’s rules and I can guarantee you this is not an alliance thing, it is a gamer thing.
If you get an advantage within the rules, pretty much every player would take it.
Is it enjoyable?
It is a task alliance players do to have better odds in beating more challenging content (whatever challenging is to a specific player). I don’t think many do it because they enjoy the horde farming in itself.
It is for the worse for warmode in general, because now you do not have an overweigth for one faction (over the whole time horde), but you have some selected shard where it is completely turned around an neither of those shards (not the ones with a horde majority nor the ones with alliance raids) has (close to) balanced world PvP.
This attempt to balance warmode is a complete failure and might turn away some players that enjoyed some PvP in the past (luckyly for me personally WoW was always a PvE game).
Other people are a*holes, so I am too?
What a great mindset improving the community.
I don’t blame you for taking the easy gear, but please don’t defend this way to balance warmode as fair/justified.
If only Blizzard would understand that people enjoying world PvP didn’t need a carrot.
The 10% bonus was flawed from the get go. I understand how it was intended to offset the downside of getting killed while doing PvE content, but for the most time it was a bonus for the dominating faction (horde), because the other faction had only downsides joining in. This enhanced the horde domination even further because why would horde PvE players turn down a free 10% bonus to most rewards.
I understand Blizzard wanted to counterbalance it with additional rewards towards the other faction, but the balance based on the previous week and on the whole region is another mistake in my mind. The imbalance on some shards (with PvP raids) are mind blowing, because the game can’t handle to many players in one region some poor souls are sharded with raids that aim to kill them.
The permanent bonus (the 30%) would at least try to amp the participation over the whole week, but this item reward that pretty much rewards you for ganking, because it is the most efficient way just spikes in the opposite direction for the quest and has no long term motivation.
So regarding this young history of imbalance in warmode I would suggest to let world PvP be a reward in and of itself for the ones who enjoy it and remove the XP, azerite and other bonuses altogether. And if this does not work, because alliance does not have enough players enjoying world PvP … well warmode is a failure but at least alliance has no downside in turning it off.
ey how about this. I Did my drusvar quest yesterday on the azurite quest spot with a 5 man pack killing packs of 3 to 4 allies every time we killed them suddenly a 15 man raid of alliance ran us down. so how is that fair or proper WPVP ? also whats the point of horde fighting off the allaince we kill 1 5 man team runnig around in our docks area. yay we won great here comes the next pack of them.
We can keep doing that for days but get nothing for it except the meagre honor for a kill. While you allies do have a quest to gather kills thus incentive to fight.
I bet if you gave the horde the 25 kills quest alliance would be crying tears of blood over the ganking they would get.
This is stupid. I joined a group that farmed people at FP. Sat there for 5 mins and got 400ilvl legs.
There should be no other rewards from WM than honor points. No bonus xp, no nothing. Ilvl 400 item for ganking people at FP is why WM fails and im disgusted i even took part on it, its not WPVP, it griefing.
It’s just a 400 ilvl item … soon those will be plenty. I didn’t bother do it yet, will do it during an assault or something. If someone is that desperate, well it means that he/she is that desperate not the whole alliance community.
Back at ya buddy this is why i play in wm off i dont want to have stress while i play a game so i avoid it like a plague you started 5vs1 gank fest and when it happens to you now its not pretty is it?.
we never fought 5 to 1 allies only travel in packs these days so it was almost always 3 at a time we fought. only for 15 allies to show up b4 we dropped the last body.
Yeap. How is it my fault that I am getting a 400 ilvl from killing 25 hordes? Am I not supposed to take advantage of that? I didn’t see a single horde say “oh we will not do warfronts because hurr durr it’s unfair for alliance that we get free loots first week”. I don’t need to git gud because I don’t care and I can openly admit that. I will however pursue whatever Blizzard throws to get an advantage in PvE, which is my main focus in this game. PvP died long time ago for me
Even more reason for them to keep at it. And since WoW is being designed for shareholders, not gamers…
Am I not supposed to take advantage of that? I didn’t see a single horde say “oh we will not do warfronts because hurr durr it’s unfair for alliance that we get free loots first week”. I don’t need to git gud because I don’t care and I can openly admit that. I will however pursue whatever Blizzard throws to get an advantage in PvE, which is my main focus in this game. PvP died long time ago for me 