ofc its not half as bad as wod was, WoD was lot better.
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If you liked going AFK in your garrison of course.
If you like actually playing the game then no.
When there is only 4 RBG groups on a Sunday evening. You know PVP is rip.
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Classes were still largly same as before, and relativly minor pruned(compared to legion and bfa) dint have to endlessly farm ap/titanforge whatever, mounts where still all on vendors not 0,01% chance for evry 10k rep after exalted again.
Story telling wasthe worst ever and a repeat of a hated story but lot worse(1legion was dumb as AU set in past but the story telling was betetr then we got now by miles)
1side dint get villain batted, no 3(and soon enoygh more) of sadfang being sad,no rebelion plot again.
Still had pvp vendors aswell, less rng crap then now.
Wanted reps could grind mobs was only here is your 3 75 rep dailies come back tomorow! crap we got now.
Islands and warfronts just are goo go go and not exploring and afk fests that give to much gear and take ages to get shot at again cause they swap to slowly.
Wod had little content but what it had was good adn gameplay was lot betetr then BFA.
And classes are most important thing, the content can be gpod but if you dont like your class you wont enjoy it. You like/love your class you can still be etertained even with mediocre content just cause playing your class is fun.
Aslso no reworks we dint finish(arcane is a half finished spec).
WoD was miles better then BFA.
And for me my guild/friends still played, i played the heck out of WoD and loved my class(mainly dk) i adored the way unholy and blood played.
Now My main guild is dead,most people i played with dont play anymore.
Only thing bfa is better at is transmog/cosmetic with wardrobe system,hide all byt legs and allied races +golden belf eyes and nelf back eyes,heirtage armors.
But gameplay its worse then wod.
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dont be pedantic. its closer to 15 years than 14. November is less than 4 months away. you didn’t help your position by being snarky.
thats world wide though. players in US, China, S. Korea and Taiwan dont help players in EU. and vice versa.
i think common accepted estimates are about 1-1.5M each for EU and US. so yeah, EU numbers may be around 1M, though maybe 8.2 has boosted those currently, but it wont last as people get tired of grinding.
but it is a 15 year old game as some above have explained. but whats worse is that its built on the architecture of a 15 year old game. hence why all these weird bugs always happen.
but they are maybe the worst ever now. my server only has 7 horde guilds in EP 
how bad must it honestly get before blizzard does anything? seriously, do they want servers where there are factions which actually dont have a single guild that can raid even one boss in normal while current?
Yeah, sure, if you liked Wolf Recolour #01, or Boar Recolour #46. WoD had barely any unique mounts, and a lot of them were locked behind the store; whilst store mounts are still a thing, BfA has way, way more unique mounts.
I have absolutely no idea how to untangle this garbage sentence.
Yeah, sure, you can grind mobs to exalted, but it’ll take several days cos you’re only gonna get 3 rep per mob. Nothing like Shaohao, where you upwards of 50 rep a mob, which still took ages but was still doable. Oh, and you needed a specific building in your garrison to even access a number of said reputations to begin with.
Low-tier content has always had the go go go mentality and always well, because people just overgear it and can just rush through; Islands don’t even give gear, and warfronts have long ceased being a viable way to gear up.
Objectively wrong.
Hah! BS
Then go find a new guild. There are plenty of people still playing and you won’t gain anything by just sitting around moping about better days. Only holding yourself back that way.
Ironically, this is one of the areas where WoD actually beats BfA, due to the model updates coming in (even if Belf was late), and the tier armour sets are pretty good. Cosmetically, BfA has provided very little other than a couple of high quality 3D mapped pieces.
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I am not sure how low the population is now, but it is low but, I think it is higher than what it was in wod, becuse that was realy low, problem is that servers whit low population looses people now, where more and more migrate to high population servers what works fine now due to sharding, this meens it is easier in a way to move, becuse you do not need to be affraid of que times as much now, so many are doing it.
for example as I said in my other post here, silvermoon server has lots of players over 250k and on one site says over 500k, where the server I am on has like 24k and we are connected to two other servers, here is the problem, combine this whit all servers having lots of guilds and I meen even low populated servers have way over 100 guilds, where maby 10 or so try to raid, what fails due to way more that do not raid, or they are leveling guilds where none raider hang out,
bottom line is server become empty becuse raiders migrate to high populated server where the casual players or social players stay behind becuse they do not care about high end content.
only way to stop it and make most server alive again is to connect more or make a few mega servers whit the sharding system.
considering on the high populated servers the majority is now, counting all the players on them regardless if all plays or not, goes over 1 milljon players
Mob grind would takes ages but it was option,dont have that now.
Islands are still important, you cant at all on any take your time and explore if you actully wanna get anything out of it aswell.
And warfronts still give good gear pieaces.
ANd arcane is 100% a half finished spec, they ran out of time to finish they said. And bfa aslo had shaman rework in 8.1 cause dint have time, it comes something that couldve been hotfixed easly adn went back on what no no we never would give rework.
And BFA is worse then wod, and thats objectivly right(see i can say that aswell)
azerite gear and system is something crap from bfa aswell.
ANd new guild pssible but why? What is there to raid? gear nope not with m+ being far easier to organize and get as good/better gear and mana Pearls,needing to farm traits/ap anyway.
And armor are all trash of raid sets. And is no class i love anymore, theyve all been overpruned with bfa after legion,adn gcd is one of worst changes ever.
Wod had amazing raid sets, but the hide evrything(but legs) ,heritage armors ,allied races are amazing for customisation aswell.
WoD is Better then BFA by miles.
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Are they?
I’ve not done one in like 9 months
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I must add, I was on horde on Draenor. On alliance it seems a lot faster indeed.
Mob grind was the only option, so most people did not, and still don’t, have many warlords reps at exalted.
They’re not important for gearing though, and they were never designed with exploration in mind regardless.
Nope. 400 from Darkshore is pretty bad, and the Heroic warfront from Stromgarde only gives a 430 once. The zones drop pathetically low item level gear.
Hardly an unfinished spec, Arcane has always been the least played mage spec but I still see it around plenty in rbgs. Shamans are doing just fine, and while Elemental was only slightly rocky at the start, it’s ridiculously good now. Anyone who thinks Enhancement is underperforming has their head in the dirt.
Save that WoD has objectively less and lower quality content.
If all you care about is gear, you shouldn’t be doing high end content anyways; raids and keystones are about progression and running with people you enjoy playing with. Gear is a mere means to an end.
The GCD has barely changed anything whatsoever and is one of the most harmless changes made this entire expansion.
worldwide, i would say they are equal. WoD was 5M when blizz stooped releasing numbers, and atm our best guesses are also 5M. how this divided up between US, EU and eastern servers may be different though. maybe there were more US/EU in WoD, where now there are less. my server is maybe around 35K horde of ALL levels. i counted 30K in guilds that showed up anywhere, and there is lets say 5K for players not in guilds or guilds that are for some reason not showing up on various sources. but out of those 30K i counted, only 3,169 were 120, and nearly 8K had not played in the last 3 years, so many more were probably actually inactive because they never came back after legion. and of those 3,169 120’s (as of early may) its quite reasonable to say that many are alts. i have about 10 alts at 120 there, and 2 friends also have 7-8 120 alts on ghostlands. so the ACTUAL number of players in which to form cohesive guilds on my server is tiny.
hence why only 7 guilds are raiding.
but yes, blizzard need to do something. it is terrible for any server below the top few.
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Its probably low lvl queue. Not max lvl.
Its pointless to look at Premade dungeons groups with low lvl/ gear char. You wont see grp if it placed ilvl requirement thats above yours.
You’ll never be old Ly ;-). ruffles your hair
I’m still not accepting the 1 million claim until official sources has been provided.
Aliance side I have given up with pugs in everything, “Oh a friday evening! surely there must be a few groups up, on my Horde chars there were tons!”. Reality kicks in: 0-2 groups… One has trouble filling up and the 1st one was full. Horde is running consistently 2-3 or even 4+ times the amount of LFG than Alliance does…
Currently EU realms 4.549.574 120s. This is with alts and people like me (10+ at 120). Add in the vast majority (70% atleast) mains Horde now. Grim is an understatement.
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Yeah, I’ve heard that one before.
Let’s have more microtransactions, daily extra rewarding treadmills, premium currencies, and whatnot.
People still play Minecraft a ton - it’s from around 2008 was it?
People still play Tetris a ton - it’s literally from the USSR.
And along comes Nintendo and makes games like it’s the 1990’s for Nintendo Switch with graphics like it’s 2005 and people gobble it up in droves.
I wish, I desperately wish, that people would stop pretending that human psychology has evolved in 20 years. It hasn’t. The only thing that’s changed is video games became big business, and the investors came in, and now they’re squeezing the lemons.
It has nothing to do with what people find fun having changed.
Yeah because it is great game and makers haven’t keep adjusting it like “Oh we made a new block room for all the blocks but same time we removed L-shaped ones” or “Oh, you cannot turn blocks anymore untill you do this achievement of watching the blocks drop for one year as they are”.
Despite my complaints i am denying it. Next expansion is gonna be good again, that’s how it works ever since WOD.
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this says it all - I haven’t even actively bothered with pathfinder 2 cos although 8.2 is a massive improvement, im not liking timegated rep
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1M where though? if we’re talking worldwide, then you’re right, its almost certainly not that low. but if we’re talking about the US on its own, or the EU on its own (which is the one which effects us) then it might actually be nearer 1M. you’ll just have to accept that.