Makes a change from rogue being S+ God tier every single season. But i only play healers so don’t really know how bad mage is atm
There was no time in history where rogues could wipe or stall a whole team of 10+ players.
Rogues never had the crazy survivability mages have either.
Rogues while being one of the most tooled specs in the game , pales in comparison to what a frost mage can do.
Hey, clearly u are not mature enough to be on the forum so much so that concepts that do not cencel each other can exist and be valid at the same time.
Again- i dont disagree you just are not approaching this correctly.
Thanks for participating but i really think you should leave.
i really cannot fathom that you believe 1 claim invalidates the other.
Both classes are really toxic rn and to jump threads to invalidate people effort to communicate a problem that you yourself face is just the pinacle of stupidity.
You don’t understand that if hunter hard counters mages and there will be a lot of hunters this season, it would make mages stop queuing because they wouldn’t enjoy game
But, it seems, hard to understand for you
Btw, frost mage was already nerfed
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Cba give me 1 extra feral charge then, make Dash give immunity to roots and make slow effects unable to slow u lower than your natural speed (like ghost wolf does) then.
Cause we always gotta consider every other class but feral, and i fail to understand why that is.
Same goes for enhancement shaman.
These 2 specs are so left out.
I’ve said it before and I’m gonna say it again: Softcounters are good for the game, hardcounters are bad.
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idk, are they gonna ship destro affly mm dk rogue feral boomie fury and deva in this state ?
don’t get me wrong, im all up to nerf frost, but seriously, something is wrong with you if u truly believe frost is #1 spot in tier list atm
ah yeah, feral is soooo problematic with its outdated toolkit , lack of immunity and defensives that idk what we gonna do - i think nerf it to from B tier to C tier.
Also feral is already nerfed.
You can’t tolerate opposing view yet you are talking about maturity. Average DH poster IQ. Frost mage is fine. If frost mage requires nerf then they need to nerf at least 5-6 other specs. Deal with it.
Oposing view, bro everytime u post something u talk like you’re in 4chan, but news flash buddy, you’re not and not only that but you always fail to deliver your words properly.
Its like you’re here out of shock value and im sure that sololy is the case.
Also for the 4th time im interracting with you , telling you that i dont even have a DH max level.
I main Feral.
Feral is behind date in its toolkit, hence why i got major problem with specs with advanced toolkit like Mages, Evokers, Dhs and Rogues.
Frost mage is not fine. < yet another shock value statement that is placed just for the sake of being there. Nobody thinks that.
This class can stall a whole team of 10 people.
Freeze duration can be buffed but it needs to be put on DR.
Circle of Ice should be on the same node as Wall of Ice.
And frost shouldnt have the core fire spells while also having 2 iceblocks and 123121 blinks.
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“frost is fine”
probably comes from the fact that, like i said, there is more broken stuff walking around nobody seems to care of… so yeah, u want to nerf frost ? im completely on board, but what about the stuff taht is, you know, acutally stronger than frost ?
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Were you surprised? Imagine how mediocre is your social circle to hear such ‘complex’ words. I bet you don’t use more than 20 different words in a single day.
You are playing feral and calling nerf for another classes? Do you know what, we are not your family to tolerate your spoiled demands. Ice Lance only nerfed by 17% which is confirming me. Better don’t bother me with your crap anymore.
As do other players.
And yes I did.
Demands? hardly. Get a grip, kid.
The “complex words” themselves i assume ?
Nobody bothers you, infact im sure the forum would be a better place for everybody without you in it.
Calling me spoiled, yet you get yourself in conflict with random strangers 24/7, cant get your point across without acting like a niche internet meme celebrity.
Seriously see yourself out.
Imagine paying for a sub spending 90% of it in Goldshire on a level 10 furry alt while acting insane on the forum at the same time on the basis of not even a sane argument.
Im telling you again- get a grip, look in the mirror, buy a scale, throw the furrsuit out or whatever u gotta do, Im reminding you nobody asked for your presence for you to be “bothered” in any shape or form, you absolute walking pathology.
Lets fix Warlock before we start with Mage.
Have you seen Affliction Warlock in preseason? My pvp group call Aff Warlocks “Raid Bosses” because they somehow can easily survive 3 melee stomping them, while they enjoy the DoTs raking in kills.
The Aff Lock DoTs are so hard hitting, they can kill low-mid geared players in one rotation. Just apply dots and wait then get kill 
Affli at least allows you to play the game
Frost mage on the other hand? Get ready to spend the entire time either being rooted or waddling towards your target while eating instant cast 500k crits
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Affly is the new destro - killing with big shadowbolts
Destro is the new affly - killing with insta dot
In solo shuffle for sure!
in rated 3s Environment i doubt this will be the case
and also keep in mind, mm hunt isnt a popular spec/class in Rated Arena, so i think it will be fine
Rmp is currently rated as S tier
https://imgur.com/a/iXkiKuT
yeah, Sub Rogue thats it.
Na they dont, just buff Underperforming specs, otherwise every heal will be a god again and nothing dies, people dont understand, that nerfing everything, creates also another problem
dmg profile looks fine, maybe Sub rogue with shadowblades up is a slight overkill and needs to be nerfed slightly.
pres evoker, Mage, sub rogue, dk´s (ams) warlocks haunt/shadowbolt combo is overperforming currently
ah and nerf fury warri to f tier ty
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Upvote this comment and shove it up blizz bum! I’ve been saying this since wotlk retail…
I don’t want to argue with anyone and I always state that your class is always weaker than others in this game. I certainly wonder if it’s normal for there to be casters in the game who don’t cast anything, it’s all instant and they do absurd damage.
Yes, I know, I imagine the “eh the warlock speaks…”. Unfortunately, as I explained, everyone sees flaws in their own class, and I would like to play destruction and demonology but the damage is very low. And the affliction’s shadowbolt does great damage, certainly, but it requires a not too fast setup and a proc. It’s not an all-time spammable ability, I mean
Surely I’m wrong, but apart from the warlock and the shadow priest, casters currently never use casted spells except in very rare cases (mainly CC). Blizzard made Demonology even more static and slow, for example, because it wanted it to use shadowbolts, I wonder why frost mages should never use frostbolts nor elemental shamans should never use lighting bolts.
I would add that if a chaos bolt (two shards and a long cast time) does less damage than an icelance instant there is a serious problem
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I think main mage problem is synergy with rogues, this is something which is out of control… I think blizzard need to strike there. Its root of problem
DK is not tanky lmao TF are you talking about ? Lichborne heal is affected by dampening, Death Strike is affected by dampening, all classes performing better, the only strength we have is our damage