By all means, group content will be more smooth if you play with sensible players. Not arguing against that at all.
However, judging by the replies even in this thread, someone is claiming that his or her seemingly successful groups don’t accept any players that hasn’t accumulated more than 100k gold. The problems with this has been discussed thoroughly already in other threads, and it is such a ridiculous number that it really deserves its own thread.
I don’t think these people that think this is healthy and normal realise how out of touch they are to the average player. All I hear is “let them eat cake”.
I don’t know man. Certain people keep telling me that these are “just the extreme few”. But I mean, if todays total pot at ~240k is considered a “meme-gdkp”, who am I to disbelieve that these “non-meme gdkp’s” actually don’t require that kind of gold to entry?
Edit: The system really is designed in such a way that you can’t win if you’re not on the top. If you’re trying to enter the scene, people tell you to go farm goldcuts from the low-end GDKP’s. But if you join these, you seemingly need a truckload of gold to even be there in first place, and at the same time you’re also expected to buy everything aswell, meaning you at best will break even, but most likely end up net negative. This will never get you into the major league. And the people on top knows this, but they have to keep the charade up for their own personal gain. It’s the WoW equivalent of getting an education, just to realise you need 10 years of work experience to start off as a junior. Well, the difference being that you can illegally pay yourself ahead of this in WoW. And this behaviour is actually fine to these people, but nobody will ever acknowledge that in public.
If i join a bad SR run and the leader doesnt give my enhance a spell power ring even tho its bis, does that makes SR runs bad? Or did i just met a psycho?
There are lots of other threads where this is explained to death.
GDKP has negative consequences regarding the economy, botting and RMT but it is the fairest loot system as everybody benefits from the entire raid.
You spend as much as you want on upgrades, and if you don’t need anything or haven’t bid, you get a share of the gold spent.
Babastiltz i understand what you are trying to say, but you went to a sh1tty raid because thats all you can get into:
bad gear (you needed more than 6pieces of loot that dropped that day)
low amount of gold.
you are not known to good gdkps and you don’t know any, if you did, you’d struggle to be rostered for these reasons.
You went to a burger joint and had a rotten burger, so that burger joint is rotten, not the concept of burgers.
As jeynar said, gdkps are like a guild run without the guild part, they usually take established members who either have good logs/gear, are known to them, or are carrying a fat enough purse that none of the above matters.
On the matter of your gold amount, yeah 30k is a relatively low amount now, to the average player who don’t interact with AH/trading/rmt/token.
The more GDKP you get into, the more gold you will earn through your cut.
30k is not a low amount now if you dont interact with rmt or gdkps you get at best a few hundred gold per day from dailies and thats if you actually bother to do all you can do. Should mostly be enough to cover consumes and repairs for most people but not enough to make it so that 30k is seen as a low amount. Your perspective is grossly unrealistic when it comes to what is a low/high amount of gold.
If you don’t engage with the economy and benefit from its inflation, you are stuck uselessly grinding dailies or whatever and are falling behind all the time.
30k may feel like a lot if thats your entire purse from years of playing WoW Classic, but it is a pathetically small amount.
I hit 30k for the first time a few months into 60classic wow mate.
You just have to accept that casual gameplay will fall behind AH/trading.
this is one of the downsides of RMT/botting, normal gameplay becomes a waste of time to keep up in the economy.
30k for the avarage player is a hughe amount seeing as the avarage player dont play the AH otherwise no one would be able to become masivly rich if everyone made the same amounts of such things, so saying that 30k is not much for the avarage player is just insane
Thats what i’m saying, your perspective is narrow. Due to inflation, everyone is vastly richer than they would have been in OG wrath.
And 30k is pathetically low Its a few WOW tokens, welcome to RMTwow.
Or a lot less if purchased elsewhere.
Don’t forget crusader orbs were happily 500g each for a few weeks, i spent all my sidereal/triumph on those and made 50k. (just checked, not 50k, 42904g)
Just from playing the game.
I had thousands of badges to spend on gems when phase 3 hit, although I didn’t sell any, they went into the gbank, but if i did… it would’ve been another vast amount of gold.
If 30k is your entire bag, you aren’t even trying, and thats fine! But to say its not a low amount is very silly.
And why were the orbs selling for so much, because the average player was not selling them as they were looking to use their emblems and essences for something that was useful for them at the time.
Your average dad gamer (who is probably the average player) dont see the need to have more than they need to cover all their needs so they dont try to make those amounts of gold.
And just on my server for example unless you literally upgrade piece of gear in one week having lets say 7-10k is more than enough to cover it and and never dip so low that you cant afford things you need.
So the average player will probbably see 30k gold as a fairly big amount even if they could have easily made it themselves but they wont.
So the back to what this conversation started at, for the average player 30k is not a small amount.
Maybe to someone who doesn’t run gdkps, thats true. I don’t buy gold and neither do most people in the groups i’m in, and they all have north of 500k banked unless they just spent it on something big they really wanted. The thing is when you keep running these, and when your char gets geared enough that you really only need a few pieces, you end up with a massive profit most runs.
The pot does not make it a meme gdkp. There are some very low pot and low requirement groups that still clear, but they’re much more picky about knowing the people they take along.
In the end, it’s exactly like Jeynar said. It’s basically a loose guild group. You gotta be known good or have a fat purse to get in. It is kind of bad for people just trying to break into the scene, if you don’t have any friends who can vouch for you and don’t have a lot of gold, that is true.
At the same time, it’s also still the only loot system that encourages heavily geared players to join, people to stay till the end, perform well and show up. SR runs do none of that and heavily suffer for it.
In good groups, the individual cuts even go that high. Last week, which was a bad week for cuts mind you, I made 37k in about an hour and a half (2 runs). I’m not even in the really good groups either, just decent ones.
Wotlk is very optimized. Most people who are still playing and raiding are good at the game and good at playing it. They’re clearing all content most of the time multiple times per week.
Leaving the dungeon daily aside, thats 23 full ids within “a few weeks”, generally meaning up to 4. That would require 6 characters to raid every possible raid with every id and use every available badge for gold instead of gear.
That would be quite unreasonable behavior. Even if all that commitment was true, thats like 7,2k gold for each character selling all their raid badges for crusader orbs.
Long story short, what you say is completely unreasonable and unrealistic for almost every player in the game.
Your average player is still the dad gamer who runs the raid with his guild or his semi stable pug, they are not a GDKP player, why would they be they see the game as something they do for fun and have other things to do as well so maybe they play on one alt as well and do some pugs on that one but they wont ever really go to a GDKP where they make a decent cut
2x 855 76 days ago
3x 866
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61 crusader orbs
Over the course of 31 days, if i spent no triumph, thats 6 dungeons a day. Thats what, 2 hours of gameplay? Is that really so much? 2 hours a day? The average gamer can’t manage 2 hours a day in an MMO?
yeah i used all my badges and sidereal and were raiding on multiple chars. I didn’t need the 245 stuff mostly, and decided to wait to buy the gear upgrades in favor of gold.
Is the average gamer doing this? Probably not?
Does that mean they missed out? Yes
Does that make their 30k lifetime total small? Yes
“average gamer” thinking their 30k lifetime is a lot is no different to real life people thinking their 30k$/£ is a lot, its not. Its not a lot, its a tiny amount, its a lot to you.
Its a few WOW tokens, welcome to RMTwow.