Discussing SR vs GDKP seems so moot to me. Pugging in general is tantamount to self-flagellation lmao.
If building a group, traveling to the dungeon and actually finishing it takes an average of 20 minutes on each of your 6 characters, thats quite impressive. Most players would need more time to actually get into groups, especially as dps. But even then, I would not call 62 hours of farming for 42k gold that free either, considering that you need connections and at least 6 well geared alts.
I think your mindset just differs from most players. Having 6 raid characters, not using raid currencies for yourself and farming nearly every day, every id for a sum of gold, thats easily spend in one average gdkp for one of your alts, is generally not considered a low amount of effort, as you claim it is for you.
No mate, you don’t need 6 alts, you need to do 3 dungeons for a crusader orb, they cost 3 sidereal.
My raiding characters did not need to spend triumph on upgrades because they are kitted out from Ulduar, meaning the 60 odd badges farmed per week were buying crusader orbs too.
I did not go out of my way to farm these, i just didn’t need to spend my currency earned through normal gameplay on gear. I chose to sell the orbs, and then i used that gold to buy 258 gear from GDKPs.
This is a very small source of income that i achieved through playing the game normally, as intended, not going out of my way to farm this stuff. Doing raids, daily dungeons and helping my guildmates run through heroics.
Regarding 20m hc++, yeah they are friggin easy and most groups just skip every boss to the end.
The point and take away here is that gold is very easy to come by if you give a hoot or put any thought power towards it.
Actually you are right, I only mentioned triumph. Spamming dungeons early might have been as good as you claim it to be.
However, the more people are committed to farming, the less money they get from it.
Sorry again, I was just disregarding such an important fact. Whoever needs gold, should farm gamma dungeons for frost emblemes /primals early too.
On another note, self-farming never be enough to consistently compete with the rmt culture of gdkps, as we conclueded, that even 30-40k gold is seen as a minor sum there.
I will certainly be grinding Hc+++ and selling primos for at least a month. You can get 1 primo from as little as 3 dungeons, just the same as crusader orbs.
I expect their prices will be similar but hold 1k for a lot longer.
Its fine to avoid this kind of interaction, but players can’t also state that “whatever i have in my purse” is a large amount, because its not.
If you never GDKP then your 30k is gonna get you to the end of the game, IF you completely ignore buying anything from the AH other than consumables and enchants etc.
I do GDKPs and have never bought gold or tokens, so to afford going there you have to earn gold. Spending triumphs/sidereal on gear upgrades wasn’t valuable to me but directly translated into buying even better upgrades from the gold i converted those badges/sidereal into.
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But you also don’t need to come with your main (or swipe) to get gold every few runs. Unless you’re swiping, statistically it’s gonna be pretty much the same.
Why would it be regarded? More ppl do gdkps then SR runs, so i guess you are retarded then for not doing gdkps? I dont mind any loot system. I prefer SR, but if ppl want to do gdkp i dont mind it at all.
Right, some rando “Shusgub” says GDKP are done more, so he’s right.
Because it’s not as fair as you try to make it be.
Whoever has the money gets the gear, that’s just dumb; that’s literally pay to win indirectly.
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If you think its stupid then just dont join them? I mean it cant bother you that some ppl has found another way to distribute loot?
I can give my opinion on what I like.
Simple.
Ofc, i was just curious why it bothers you so much that ppl do loot differently then you prefer?
I guess you’re not used to people being slightly more agressive in their approach.
Maybe I am spending too much time on the internet… hmm.
Why on earth would someone want to be aggressive on their approach to a loot system in a game??
This statement is not a judgement, but a statement of reality. On nearly all servers with real population, gdkps are the vast majority of pug raids. This is reality, whether or not you like gdkps.
Of course it’s not, people can quite literally buy an advantage. It’s more rewarding then other systems though and the incentive structure leads to overall better raid outcomes then SR runs.
No, it’s pretty direct. You can buy 8k gold for 20 euros legally right now, so if someone spends 25k on an item, he directly spend 62.50€ on said item. It barely gets more direct then that.
You’re barking into the void on a game forum, lol.
Yeah, until you can prove it im not buying it.
Nice try though.
So it is pay to win.
No need for me to keep arguing.
I don’t think anyone has ever disputed that. None of us are naive enough to believe that the 500k some warrior drops on DV out of a 30 minute raid is self farmed.
It is undoubtably p2w, but it’s also more incentive for people running. I know full well that my BiS item may be taken by a bad player who just put up 200€ to buy it, but it doesn’t matter because 80% of that is then given to the raid, so I directly benefit as well.
Pick a server, go to the server discord and look at pug advertisements there. Then look at lfg chat and the lfg too. You will see that 80-95% of what you see will be various gdkps.
Perfect, go to Mirage, server discords (we have 2 of the for some reason) more than half are SR pugs, look in game most runs are SR. argument is invalid
How many SR propaganda posts you gonna create dude? It’s your fault for raiding with such bad GDKP community. Most discords have their logs and gold cuts open to the public. If you are parsing 91 maybe don’t join runs in which RL doesn’t speak english and half the raid parses grey weekly… And even more important, if you are bringing good performance just don’t bid on every item. You basically oiled the pot as a carrier lol.
There are good SR runs out there but also terrible ones, same goes for GDKP, just pay attention and do some research before joining.
Learn to manage your gold. It’s perfectly possible to start with low performance runs with 30k gold you can easily get from professions/leveling alters etc… and after a while join better ones. I did this myself on 3 different chars.
If you end up negative is because you are outbidding people oftenly. If your run really had 8k gold cut means nobody is bidding high, it’s simple, you are not going to be the guy oiling the pot so just bring good performance. You either pay or carry.
This will be the last one as I’ve come to the conclusion that this version (or state if you will) is not for me. Outside of my weekly guild raids, that is. I also wouldn’t say I’m pro SR, it has its own issues. I’m more anti-gdkp.
I’m simply not having fun, and it’s just dumb of me to waste my spare time on things I don’t enjoy doing. Currently, I’m having a blast on the hardcore realms, which is where I will spend most of my time from now on.
Wotlk phase 4 looks solid though. I will most likely check out the Gamma dungeons and kill LK with my guild. Perhaps level an alt through the “new” RDF tool. But that will be it. If I outgrew the community or the community outgrew me, not sure, but we’re obviously very incompatible. It’s crazy to me how much the player attitude changed in just a few years, from when this classic project was launched.
In a sense, I’m actually thankful for yesterday since that made me come to this realisation. And it seems like I’m not alone. The reasons might differ, but the vast majority of my classic buddies has indeed quit this game. Some of them in favour of era-realms.
What attitude has changed? Nothing has changed. There were gdkps on my time server (noggenfogger) right from the start of MC.