Automatic PvP flagging is unacceptable!

[Thimli-silvermoon]

@Rotgut-lightbringer

@Tuomas-dragonblight

it would have worked fine if there was some actual scourge invading en-masse with abominations, valkyrs and such, that would have been cool

LOL

People would be jumping of roofs screaming.

There are very few people around these days who could emotionally handle a real WOTLK scourge event.

Exactly this , I find that comment funny because the event we have now is nothing compared to the event in WOTLK , that’s not hindrance , nothing was available while it was going on at all

[Tuomas-dragonblight (Tuomas)]

so you really just don’t understand, it’s the infection player versus player stuff we object to, not the fact that there is a pre-event, if anything, the fact that this event is now run for a third time, makes it rather sad as a pre-event for a new expansion.

[Izzyfuriouss-terokkar]

It’s gone forever in 3 days, seriously if you are so sick of enduring it in 3 more days. Just go play something else.

[Tuomas-dragonblight (Tuomas)]

considering it’s the third time they dragged this up, that remains to be seen…
and why should I play something else? blizzard has non-pvp servers for a reason, they should stick to their own server rules…

[Izzyfuriouss-terokkar]

Because i don’t see it happening they will change this in less than 3 days before release.

[Brigante-argent-dawn (Brigante)]

Something like WotLK event would have been cool. Something where ghouls, player controlled or npc were the things that attacked you would have been cool. Stuff where Alliance take advantage of the auto flagging to camp people (and vicer versa) has nothing to do with a Scourge invasion, and feels more like a pre-patch for BfA, than anything to do with SL.

Is it seriously that hard to understand what I am writing?

I’m possibly unlucky, but I’m not getting a pre-Shadowlands event. I’m getting a generic PvP event without any zombies. Do you not see why I am complaining about the -Implementation- of the event. The reason I am not happy is that I would love it, if there were NPC ghouls, and Player controlled ghouls and they were attacking everyone, war mode on or off, pvp flagged or unflagged.

That would be -ideal- Everyone is in danger, everyone gets to play with Zombies.

That ain’t what I’m getting. I’m not getting killed by Zombies. I’m getting Killed by Alliance characters that are not Ghouls!. What the heck has that got to do with Shadowlands and the Scourge?

I’m having to rely on some of the short stories coming out for any pre Shadowlands hype, as the game itself just ain’t giving me any.

Can you understand that there is a big difference between complaining about an event’s existence and it effecting -everyone- (Which I would love) and complaining about the Implementation of it which means that you end up with some people just not getting any Scourge threat out of it at all. I think I’ve seen one player Ghoul. Only reason I say player ghoul is that their actions and movements seemed a bit too intuitive for an AI controlled ghoul. It was dead before I even got close enough to double tap it to the head. On the other hand I have seen plenty of Alliance ganking parties taking advantage of the auto-flag (And I am certain the same is true in reverse) right up close and personal. Too close I would say!

That’s what I’m complaining about. If I wanted to fight Alliance I’d have War Mode on. That doesn’t interest me, I find PvP boring and not representative of how a fight works (But thats a separate issue). I wanted a Zombie Apocalypse, as we were promised. But that isn’t what we are getting (Unless I am just incredibly unlucky and am the uber survivor type in a Zompoc )

Now do you see?

Also, what the heck you on about RPing on the forums? Do you think I am sat here in a medieval doublet quaffing fine mead from a cow’s horn whilst troubadours play lilting melodies in the background?

I sometimes use ‘dialogues’ as a means of expressing hyperbole as to how some things are silly, but I don’t RP on the forums. On the forums is just 100% me, and trust me, I am an RP’er, and I even do LARP, which is probably why I am completely able to separate Real Life, from RP. Something some people seem to confuse…
I mean I suppose you -could-…but…without any actual verbal and visual interaction it would be a very dry experience, not really RP at all, in my opinion…

[Ballsofstone-bronze-dragonflight]

@Brigante-argent-dawn

That ain’t what I’m getting. I’m not getting killed by Zombies. I’m getting Killed by Alliance characters that are not Ghouls!. What the heck has that got to do with Shadowlands and the Scourge?

Ahem we just finished a faction conflict. I’d say story-wise it’s perfectly in line with a ghoul or mass of them showing up where both armed forces congregate for things to kickoff once again. Tension is supposed to be high still. So idk it seems thematic to me at least…

As far as what we got … yeah it’s unfortunate that it’s probably a combination of the delay causing a lack of resources expended and general feedback from the last time that gave us this watered down version.

Heck if I was calling it I’d make it worse than last time. But that’s just me.

[Seraphim-azjolnerub]

@Brigante-argent-dawn

Also, what the heck you on about RPing on the forums? Do you think I am sat here in a medieval doublet quaffing fine mead from a cow’s horn whilst troubadours play lilting melodies in the background?

Well this is a very disappointing revelation.

[Rotgut-lightbringer]

@Brigante-argent-dawn

Something like WotLK event would have been cool.

Sorry, not possible in todays game. People would jump of the roof (IRL) after pulling their hair out.

The rest of your rant is about you doing it differently because this way is somehow wrong.

Joking aside now… BS … complete and utter BS!

The only thing wrong is that those ffing crates dissapear so we lose momentum. For the rest it COULD have been awesome.

But if there were complainers last time it would be an uprise today. People today are offended when you look at them wrong. THAT is what is wrong… not the event in itself.

[Graytail-azjolnerub]

when you look at them wrong. THAT is what is wrong… not the event in itself.

Oh you aRe still going?

But you’re not arguing her points.

You’re just moving goalpost, as I claimed you did, earlier.

goes back to hiding while talking about a proper world’s first event

[Ackheron-twisting-nether]

While you guys are happily discussing, I’m gonna share a screenshot of my guild

The Scarlet Scourge.

[Vaëyn-outland]

@Tuomas-dragonblight

blizzard has non-pvp servers for a reason, they should stick to their own server rules…

Love it! Infect em all!

[Tinasõdur-outland]

I joined PVP server. PVP being off option should not even be there.

[Graytail-azjolnerub]

Thats all ffine and stuff…

But the people that complain, didnt.

[Rotgut-lightbringer]

@Graytail-azjolnerub

aRe

wUt?

@Graytail-azjolnerub

her points

Her?

@Graytail-azjolnerub

moving goalpost

ehh…

@Graytail-azjolnerub

goes back to hiding while talking about a proper world’s first event

Riiiiight.

[Rosalee-turalyon]

So what this comes down to is:

• Some of the player base loves the zombie part of this event (they like PvP/ PvGhoul)
• Some of the player base hates the zombie part of this event (participation against their will / interferes with normal game/roleplay)
• Some of the player base don’t mind it most of the time, but wish it wouldn’t interfere with completing quests to do with the limited time event (like Nathanos or killing 10 ghouls for the quest in Duskwood/Crossroads on newly levelled/undergeared alts when the Icecrown event was advertised as a gear catch-up event)

So: not all the customer base likes the event. What could they have done better?

For example:

1. Played-through some customer-use cases (like the 3 mentioned) and stormed some suggestions.
2. Opened up the event to a wider Beta audience earlier on & made changes.

More specifically:

1. Added a lore-related mechanism for opt out - perhaps with a time-consuming mechanism to obtain it to deter everyone who merely dislikes the event from using it.

2. Added a method of getting a time limited buff, say from an argent healer, once a day per char, so players could get stuff done (like one visit to the AH or the event quest chain).

[Jazew-turalyon]

@Graytail-azjolnerub

I am ignoring that post because you’re ignoring ours, and you’re just mocking us. So instead of mocking you, I will call yopu out on things you state.

Rofl you are just pure comedy… conviniently just not responding to posts that actually proves you wrong.

@Graytail-azjolnerub

You’re the one accusing everyone who opposes and just wants to opt out, ya know, of PVP ghouling every else but main capitals (Orgrimmar/SW), wants to cancel it out? No, We want to keep the pvp ghouling over there so us pve players arnt bothered by it.

Yea, because ghouls in only SW and ORG and no where else what so ever makes perfect sense. Did they just teleport there then?

And regarding the forced PvP, that also makes perfect sense actually. What wouldn’t make sense at all is to have a massive (well, you know what I mean) zombie invasion leading in to the next expansion and only have like half the player base actually be a part of it.
Blizzard chose to do that because everyone is a part of this invasion. For the massive amount of time of 1 whole week.

@Graytail-azjolnerub

This is excactly what PTR is for. Its for testing purpose.

You said it, testing various things out. There is no guarantee that what they are testing is meant to go live. That was testing means, they try things they think about.

@Feylexi-silvermoon

Flagging for PvP and forcing to wait 5 minutes is simply stupid. If would be a zombie invasion of npc that I have to kill I wouldn’t mind.

This seems to be the big issue of all complainers, that actually have the PvP icon activated.
Player ghouls or NPC ghouls. More or less same thing really. Only differens is that player ghouls can spread it across the world. Which in my opinion makes it work as intended, given it is (supposed) to be a massive scourge invasion.
Now if this was here to stay, I’d join in on the complaining myself, even though I’m always in WM.
However when it is for a limited, and very short, amount of time, I’m sorry but this reason for all this complaining is just silly.

@Brigante-argent-dawn

That would have been the sensible way of doing it, yes. You couldn’t opt out of attacking and being attacked -by- ghouls, but you were not auto flagged for PvP with non-ghoul players. This would have represented a Scourge invasion.

I’ll completely agree that would have been a better option. Guess Blizzard was just to lazy or, you know, pressed for time, and simply used what they had already.

@Feylexi-silvermoon

BFA player cares more about doing his weekly stuff than anything else.

I’m not. Not this week.

@Graytail-azjolnerub

Blizzard owns that IP right.

And they have deemed it perfectly acceptable to have it like this for 1(!) week.

@Graytail-azjolnerub

I could be in outland doing some rep in sethekk halls or something while farming mount my instance limit is reach, I watch a stream on twitch meanwhile, or do some raid prep for another game.

Honestly, is that your excuse? You can still do that, it’s not really that hard for you to get where you need to be.

@Graytail-azjolnerub

counter acted yourself because uhm, how can you get ready if your getting grieved at IC rares?

You obviously dont read whole post.

Seriously, I think you might need to go back to a reading class. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen you misread, misinterpret or simpy just not read at all.

[Feylexi-silvermoon]

I think Blizzard should take from this event to never mix PVP with PVE, and that in general, in any aspect of the game. They should be completely separate (give to pvp players gear, vendors, opt in for WM, a specific stat all they want). Leave the pve players alone and never put them into anything that is pvp related (essences, world pvp, auto flagging).

From my side, this event could have been designed very easy as a mass invasion and you have the npc and the players attacked by many mindless zombies that can be put down by aoe-ing them down 5 at a time.
They can even give you a debuff in the form of a disease (stats reduction that has to be cleaned by healers or npc) or a curse (increase attack speed or spell cast duration - which can also be cleaned).

And if you want the players to have a different experience just create a quest line to get an item that turns you into a zombie and you can be a ghoul like any other AI ghoul, with no explosion option and nothing that can be used as grieffing.

If they would have kept the grieffing out of the event and would have give a title, nothing else, as a reward for an achievement to kill 10 soldiers as a zombie in SW, I have a feeling that every single player that wrote in this topic saying that they dislike auto flagging for pvp wouldn’t have said anything.

Than is my choice, do I want to spend 3 hours to do a questline and camp a zombie invasion to kill 10 things in SW to get a title? After 16 years is still unbelievable that Blizzard doesn’t understand that players are willing to spend hours to grind something they choose to, but they are not willing to spend 5 minutes for something that they didn’t choose to.

[Jazew-turalyon]

@Tuomas-dragonblight

practically everywhere that has an AH, is infested, as is all the other content around icecrown…

First off… where do you find the AH in IC? I’d love it if you could point me to that one.

Secondly, find me in game and I’ll inv you to my garrison. There you can use both AH and bank all you want.

@Thimli-silvermoon

You can change your shard pretty easily though , just join a group in LFG , it’s not a solution but its a workaround and it works

I have tried to explain this too, but Graytail did as Graytail normally do… rejected the solution.

@Tuomas-dragonblight

except this is just a rehash of wrath of the lichking event

Of course it is a (watered down) version of the Lich King event. This has everything to do with him, once again. He just got dethroned and hence the scourge is (or should be anyway) running ramparts all over the world.

@Tuomas-dragonblight

blizzard has non-pvp servers for a reason, they should stick to their own server rules…

Actually they are. They have just temporarily changed the ruleset to fit the event.

@Graytail-azjolnerub

Oh you aRe still going?

So are you apparantly. After that famous last word?

[Tuomas-dragonblight (Tuomas)]

so what you are saying is that they are sticking to the server rules by changing them when they feel like it? that doesn’t even make sense…

also, reading is an art, i said “every ah AND OTHER CONTENT SUCH AS ICECROWN”