Automation or how Blizzard killed all competitive pvp

Hello everyone.

We all know blizzard try to fight scripters, third-party program usage and cheaters in general.

So I want to talk about ClearTarget() function.
First of all I’m not a developer and some of the code below can be terrible.
Secondly, we all know that CastSpellByName() function is protected to avoid unintended usage.

But what about this?

/run if not (UnitCastingInfo(“target”) or UnitChannelInfo(“target”)) then ClearTarget() end;
/cast [@target, exists, nodead] Spell Lock
/stopmacro [exists]
/targetlasttarget

or, perhaps, this?

/run if(AuraUtil.FindAuraByName(“Banner of the Horde”, “target”, “HELPFUL”)) then ClearTarget() end
/cast [@target, exists, nodead] Death Coil
/stopmacro [exists]
/targetlasttarget

These simple macros can help users automate their gameplay. For example, such macros can make interrupts always hit other player’s cast or prevent spells usage if there’s any buff (like divine shield or anti-magic shell) that denies their impact.
In my opinion, many people could’ve used such macros to have advantage over other players in arena.
I think it’s a big problem for the whole PvP community and it should be fixed as fast as possible.

And what do you guys think about all of this?

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Since I’ve heared that a lot of people are cheating, I kinda stopped playing pvp, because there is always doubt… “Does he really have insane reflexes, or is he cheating?”

I know a lot of people seemed to have been banned, but apparently it took them 2 years according to this reddit post, so there will always be a shadow of doubt. I’m not even sure what your macro exactly does. It seems just like another exploit, but honestly, I’m kinda done with wow pvp for a long while.

I’m kinda back to M+ now, because even if people cheat in M+, at least I’m fighting NPCs

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You want automated PvP?
Did I understand that right?

Short answer: No.
Long answer: Hell no.

I think the OPPOSITE should happen.
Remove macros, period. Remove automation of any kind.

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Oleg idi naxui

:man_facepalming:
There is more to macros than just pvp.

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Yeah! Let’s get rid of all those modifying macros and have people use all their fingers AND toes for all the spells individually for each hotbar slot!

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I know.
And none of it is or should be needed.

It’s a crutch.
People need to learn to walk again, imo.

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exactly that. simulation of real actions. the main thing is to act as if…

because so far nothing has been done and pvp is like in the stone age. even av looks just as ugly as it did 20 years ago… pvp was also completely taken out.

epic battlegrounds? my goodness… who should this sick nonsense be sold to?

Seems like people are hellbent on making the game as unfun as possible for healers. I have all my heals on macros that look similar to this;

#showtooltipinfo
/cast [@mouseover,nodead,exists][] Rejuvenation
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Macros aren’t all “automated” gameplay. I have relied 100% of them to be able to heal without addons for many years. They integrated mouseover in the UI this expansion, but until then you had to macro all friendly target spells for efficient and more seamless targeting. There are also other usefull macros. You should try it before you judge it as “automated gameplay”.

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This macro is now a part of the default UI settings, so you can skip it now. Just took them almost 2 decades to fix.

No, it’s not. It enables it for all the spells you have. Not only healing spells. I tried it out briefly and I had to stop using it because of that.

Oh, I thought it was friendly spells only. I guess I’ll notice that once I start raiding again. Good thing I didn’t delete my macros.

I haven’t tried it any further than in the beta when I was being lazy about setting macros up. Maybe they’ve improved its functionality since then but I just gave up on it after how disastrous it was in the beta.

edit: Nope, spells are behaving weird compared to just using macros when you turn it on. Can’t seem to cast stuff on other players when mousing over them and the spells go on me instead. Same stuff I experienced when trying it in the beta.
edit2: Gripping someone with it on doesn’t seem to work at all.

Big edit 3: It’s not working as I would have expected it to because it’s not an actual mouseover thing for the spells but for the party/raid frames. With mouseover macros you can target people’s nameplates, focus frames, people’s models or their party/raid frame, this only permits targeting people through party/raid frame. You can’t use it on anything else, not even focus frame.

I’ve used macros in the past.
But it’s basically cheating imo.

Like I said earlier; it shouldn’t be necessary to use macros.

Then you’ve used the wrong macros. You seem to think it’s all automated gameplay. If you play a character with support spells, you pretty much need it because the UI has been quite poorly supportive of these type of spells for almost two decades. You do have one or more of them as a hunter(is misdirect still a thing?), but I guess that when you only play solo/world content, the majority of macros don’t offer you much(other than perhaps “cheating”).

That it should not be necessary is another thing, but it’s hard to integrate some of them in the actual UI, as there can be minor differences you need from character to character/spec. Situational things which are much easier to solve with macros.

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How am i supposed to hookup trinket with some ability without macro?

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Thanks for checking it. I don’t do any group content besides the very occational LFR these days, so I have not noticed or paid attention to it. I just assumed it worked. I’ll keep that in mind for when I do start with proper group content again, and perhaps reapply my macros.

No I don’t.
But it still does something that humanly wouldn’t be possible with that speed and ease.

That’s exactly my point: I don’t think that should be a thing. It should be solved by the player themselves, imo.

Anyway; I really don’t feel like continuing this conversation because I don’t really feel strongly about it. I just have an opinion and I’ve shared it. I don’t want to defend my opinion, because I don’t see the use in that.

It’s fine you disagree. And I realize that Blizzard will probably never remove macros anyway, so the discussion is moot anyway.

No, there is nothing that’s cheating about making a @cursor or @mouseover macro, because the default version of the game is not hand healthy. Also, makros are part of the default UI interface unlike addons, so anyone can use makros without downloading anything. Addons are cheating though, but blizzard designs the game around people using every possible addon.