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[Bewarê-frostmane]

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

Allience smash the 15 horde but a few die and every death Allience side will put them at the top of the map respawning 10 at a time with no chance to reinforce as travel time is well over 2 minutes while horde respawns in cave 20 seconds away 20 a time and can get back into fight before Allience can Rez or a healer/DPS mana regen.

And Alliance doesn’t have to deal with those pesky swarms of NPCs in the base like the Horde needs to, in order to get to the base GY.
Alliance doesn’t need to run as far as Horde does to the first clash, when dying. So that’s 100% decided with PvP, where Alliance even have the advantage.

Alliance resurrects closer to fights near SP GY before SP GY is assaulted, compared to Horde who needs to run all the way from SH GY. That’s also decided with PvP.

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

Let’s Reverse that scenario just say example Allience will have ibgy and 30 horde defend shgy each death
They Rez in the cave 20 at a time which the rezers complete halts the Allience push with respawn advantage
While the defenders at sh can aoe the choke point and have a high ground advantage

I don’t even know what that is supposed to mean. English, please.

@Tartanangel-ashbringer

yes I know Allience bunkers are harder to capture than Horde towers but one of our bunkers is completely useless position for archers attacking the horde. The bridge is the only advantages and the corner after the bridge but by that point the game is lost no chance to recapture shgy once it’s lost completely

See, even you can point out asymmetrical balance examples. Whereas in Alliance have advantages where Horde doesn’t, and Horde have advantages where Alliance doesn’t. Perfect symmetry is boring af. It’s just one side suffering from mindset issues who doesn’t even put up proper fights most of the time by utilizing their advantages to the max.

Also, keep in mind, the first clash is indicative of everything. Since it shows which side carries the greater “PvP ability” for lack of a better term.

@Bewarê-frostmane

@Ringil-razorgore

Lol, what razor sharp logic. Even the underdog can sometimes win a fight. That doesn’t invalidate what is otherwise the norm.

Right… Yeah… “Every time we lose, it’s the map’s fault! But every time we win, it’s pure skillz!”. There is no middle ground here. You either have the map against you, or you don’t. For them, they clearly didn’t. Thus, something else is in your way.

For example the mindset issues which you all keep agreeing is very widespread on the Alliance side, yet keep blaming the map for some reason. Cuz surely every loss is always caused by the map?

See? Either you’re a premade exploit who “overcame the odds” with “impossible” coordination for a randomly matchmade team, or you guys for once actually put up a proper fight and won which means the map design has nothing to do with it.

Asymmetrical design simply means an asymmetrical design. Where you’ve got an advantage, they don’t, and where they’ve got an advantage then you don’t. It’s just that simple.

To blame the map is just as shallow as blaming lag when you lose in FPS games. Or blaming only the last move you did in Chess, when you were already set on the path to lose several moves previous to that last move.

I’m glad you chose to show it’s not a premade exploit, and proving the map design is irrelevant. PvP decides the BG , end of story.
Because keep in mind, it requires a lot to shut down an entire team inside the cave in AV. It requires less just to simply win while fending off defenders. And you pulled off the much harder option, as a randomly matchmade team, simply by winning in the PvP . Ergo, map design is a scapegoat used to deflect responsibility for the endemic mindset issues plaguing the Alliance side.

It’s beautiful, isn’t it?