And Grimfang frotress has this nice, central place in the middle of it. Perfect setting for a gathering.
Sylvanas was right though, the Alliance do see it so…
What ? Where do I farm it ? 
No really what are you people on about
Metaphorically speaking.
Which lore characters on the alliance, tells us they saw the arrest taking place. I’d love names and comments with an extra spice of specifics.
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https://ptr.wowhead.com/quest=55090/a-gathering-of-foes
Shaw has the player watch it.
So the Champion of the Alliance and the spymaster of SI:7 are personally there to witness it.
I concede, but it was expected anyway. In fact, it was expected worse as Jaina thought Sylvanas was going to kill him.
Nice. Sending a clear message to everyone who betrays their loyalties. Hope someone sends a VHS copy to Anduin.
Aww Im disappointed, group 0 
You’re TL2 actually.
Seriously? I mean she has been more tolerable this expansion, but she is still showing bizarre inconsistencies and all her past transgressions are just handwaved away. Couldn’t be anything to do with whose favourite character she is, oh no.
She has not. She has had the opposite, the character has not developed, it has freakishly bounced around with little rhyme or reason. That’s not character development, that is a mental disorder, and that is -fine- She has reason to be mentally damaged, the things she has been through, however then suddenly having Kul Tiras go “Oh, no, everythings fine, heck, you can rule us” despite seeing the damage there is just absolutely bonkers.
Unnecessarily patronising, and unmindful of the fact that a lot of people play both sides, however yes, people do change in their lifetime, they are shaped by their experiences. If only Jaina had been written consistently in such a way, this would hold more weight, but she has not. It is almost like they are going “We want her to go super vengeful Crazy and Angry!” “Yeaaah!” “Oh, but also able to Cooperate with the Horde who she hates” “Oh, OK” “But then she goes super Vengeful Crazy and Angry again!” “Yeaaaah!” “Oh, and then Cooperate with the Horde who she hates, but there is a plot twist……” “Really, Wow!” “Yeah, she then goes super Vengeful crazy and Angry again!”
“Wow! I did -not- see that coming!”
“Yeah, and then during the biggest threat to the world, she abandons the King Of Stormwind to Die, when she could have teleported him, and whinges about the Horde some more, because I don’t think we’ve had enough of that in game and in two whole novels”
“Amazing! And there are no repercussions for this?”
“Well D’uh, Its Jaina, of course there aren’t. Anyway, after dodging the whole Legion War, she raises a ship that should be a mess of rotted bits of timber”
“Cool, sorta like the Forsaken do with their ships?”
“hmmm, yeah, good point, she has to look even better than that. Wait, I’ve got it! This ship can -fly-, and has magic cannons, ‘Pew Pew Pew’”
“Haven’t the Alliance just gotten one of those? Y’know, the Vindicaar?”
“Yeah, but that’s not Human and its not Jaina, so Jaina has a magic flying ship with magic cannons, and she like, just Ices away the Blight!”
“Wait, how does she know there even is a battle, she’s been gone a long time?”
“Because…uhh, Jaina?”
“I see, and that’s all it takes to sterilise the Blight, a Frost Mage? Nobody tried this before, at prominent places like, Oh, I don’t know, Gilneas?”
“Yeah, but they didn’t have a Jaina!”
“So Jaina cures Blight?”
“Yeah, and she has a floating ship, with magic cannons!”
“Still, I imagine Kul Tiras is going to be pretty mad at her, given they have a whole anthem saying how bad she is?”
“Uhh, for a little bit, but they get over it because, well, Jaina!”
“Ahuh……”
She Is seriously not a good character.
Also, I do not know what experience you have on working with 8 year olds, but that is not what they do, they do not write static characters, their imaginations jump all over the place, they are dynamic, not static.
This is why I am inclined to believe we are not necessarily talking to a well informed person here…
No one here is actually Horde. Just the same as they are not actually Alliance…
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You shouldn’t be surprised.
The only character from Warbringers who will tried for their crimes is Queen Azshara.
Sylvanas and Jaina will get away with murder in all forms and be backed by their fanbases.
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Just as a hot reminder, Jaina’s sadness in her dumb vision quest were about Varian (UC), Rhonin (Theramore), Arthas and Daelin.
She has zero regrets about slaughtering cowering sunreaver civilians in the streets. She believes that killing innocents who had no connection to a crime is correct and proper and no one has seen fit to bring it up to her.
Because I guess racism against elves is cool and okay when you’re a blonde haired blue eyed human from Fantasy!America right Blizzard?
Just your average and alliance biased Blizzard writing.
And Sylvanas forcing Horde and Alliance soldiers into Undeath, whereby lies were spilled to our dearest Valtrois, who was assured it was a free-will gesture should also go unanswered?
again, sylvanas and jaina will be backed by their fans, whilst Queen Azshara will be the only truest character of the three as she will meet judgment for her crimes.
Assuming sylvanas doesn’t get the garrosh treatment.
She deserves far worse. Decades of atrocities coming back.
Don’t be silly now.
I know and it will be sweet. It’s why she’s the most consistent of the three characters and why her Warbringers was the most well received.