I don’t think anything, I am correcting your lore errors. Further more, Garrosh did not get his result, as the country was ruined beyond recognition and the Horde did not get a port.
You are using Garrosh’s attitude as justification for Sylvanas, who absolutely failed every single step of the way and used way more force then was needed.
I can and I will ridicule that.
Further more, I am getting sick of “Sylvanas did nothing wrong” every time a new cinematic is out.
You know if Blizzards writers were more competent I would actually like to believe that the war in Gilneas was a display of how much the Forsaken have become a one-trick pony after they sucessfully developed the blight. How their entire military strategy has been build around it, but if they cannot deploy it for some reason or another they have absolutely no back-up plan and everything quickly falls apart.
But, as I said: This would require more competent writers.
It has been a while since I read Edge of Night to be honest, and you’re right he didn’t. The Forsaken messed up bit-time in regards to his aims.
No. I’m using Garrosh’ attitude as part of an internal justification for Sylv/the Forsaken’s action. I’m not justifying her actions as though I agree with it personally. 
And nowhere have I said that either. She’s pretty much dug her own grave and is one of the most flip-floppiest characters in the setting.
To be fair there were other occasions when they managed to portray some proficiency without it. Silverpine was a rather nice portrayal of their ways, and a whole storyline that showcased a wider range of weaponry and methods other than the Blight.
It’s still heavily relied upon, that much is true, but bear in mind it took them up until wrath to develop it fully.
It’s iconic. Like the elves and their Druidism, the Draenei and the Light, or the gnomes and their gizmos.
That was actually confirmed to be the goal of Garrosh all along. Get as many Forsaken killed as possible when they were ordered to attack Gilneas.
We can call it crap writing and leave it at that.
It was also confirmed and stated by the Chronicles that she convinced Garrosh to give her the command over the attack. It was confirmed that she was quite happy about it too!
right.
Well this Cinematic is beautiful.
the Characters are convincing.
All of them are actually portrayed as they are.
Baine a peaceful man that has reached his limit of waiting and seeing.
Jaina Proudmoore a woman who’s been where he is now and has lost all hope, even in him.
her first reaction when shown her Brother is to be about to freeze Baine in place where he stands.
This is a touching moment, but also a direct message to the Horde and in Turn forsaken players: Go dig your own graves and say goodbye to Sylvanas.
Or so one might assume from a first glare, instead I’m actually starting to be hopeful for the story.
If this moment in a small content patch was giving such a extraordinary push of emotions and reflections.
We’ve never seen characters in the game filled with such emotion, such remorse or anger as before.
What also intrigued me was that Baine mentions a Sickness in the Horde, rather than just Sylvanas is destroying it.
He understands in a way at this point that while the Banshee Queen is part of them Problem he holds with the Current Horde, it is not her alone.
there is a sickness and that sickness is the old hatreds of the World coming to light under her ruler-ship.
If only the arrest of Baine was given the same kind of treatment and love from the developers.
Oh, but it works everytime as trigger 
and its true sk its win win
It’ll be the happiest funeral ever.
I agree with you in all. But it’s the bit quoted above that really sours it. Well, that, and having yet another moment of getting choked about being empathetic towards the chick that has just destroyed a whole bunch of our new allies.
But yeah, the acting (voice acting), and the visual assets in this cinematic are rather neat. It’s a shame Blizzard is just throwing them all indiscriminately to one side while dumping all the negativity of it to the other.
How cool would it have been to have Derek as some additional Forsaken character.
Instead, they are yet again throwing another Horde race under the bus, because they feel like inflating the heroic feeling of the Do No Wrong White Protagonists of this story.
The disparity regarding positive storytelling at this point is beyond baffling. Why should I, as Horde player, should have to choose between supporting my Tauren or my Forsaken leaders?
Edit: But again, credit where it’s due. The storyline being told here is done in a rather excellent way. Shame the plot itself is so bad.
Jaina and Baine are awesome in this cinematic! Absolutely love it!
This expansion does largely feel like the Horde is simply a foil for the Alliance but it’s okay because here’s another desultory story about what it means to be part of the horde and infighting or whatever.
Honestly can’t wait for this expansion to be done story-wise.
Another thing that would disappoint me, if this war does not do some internal damage to Alliance.
Come on, give Sylvie that much, before she is passed to history.
I mean, this isn’t even new. We already had this with orcs.
It’s like they are squeezing after beating to a pulp each and every of the Horde story keys, in order to milk quick antagonistic stories for the other side to benefit from.
This wouldn’t be half as disingenuous if not for the sorry state they’ve consistently left the Horde remains after each round…
Like, orcs were left leaderless for an entire expansion. Trolls the same. And zero story, explanation, or development, to make up for their respective issues.
Yeah, I too can’t wait for this garbage to be over. But i wonder in what place will it leave the Horde races.
In others words, Blizzard can go to hell and I hate them. This cinematic just makes it easier to trash against the developers online directly.
We are all getting sick and tired of it.
Amen to that. Unfortunately, there is little players can do.
It this point, it’s more about salvaging whatever it can be.
They are trash and deserve a painful and slow death.
So that was a really Beautiful cinematic, i really liked it, ever since that whole novel about Anduin and Sylvanas, something about humanizing the forsaken is something i really, and i mean really like.
Undeath does not turn you spiteful and mustache-twirling, you do that to yourself.
That said, there is something painful about the cinematic, because i can not lose the feeling that there will be a ‘Aha! i Sylvanas knew that Baine would free him so i finished twisting him early!,’’ leading to him managing to kill his own mum Before Jaina kills him while he says some teary last Words in her arms , aka Grom in his wc3 cinematic.
So far there blizzard seems intent to separate Forsaken and their human relatives, either by hatred or through sudden sad Death, making sure that no reconcilliation can ever happened.
So its bittersweet for me at least.
This entire expansion story(and those who like it) in a summary.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1fLtipWwAAeBUr.jpg:large
Remember what Baine said. “No life is worth living if we cannot be true to our nature.”
The orcs do live lives of conflict, but rarely war, even on Draenor. A spiritual and honourable, if savage, people. That is their nature.
The Darkspear are similar to the orcs. They live to survive, to please their gods and to respect the spirits. That is their nature.
The tauren are a noble hunter-gatherer people. They have strong hearts and have high morals in general, respecting the land and the Earthmother. That is their nature.
The undead are seen as monsters, but Before the Storm revealed that many are still human on the inside. They just want to live as they did, in peace, even if the world hates them. Nathanos is angry at the Alliance for them seeing his people as monsters, and not leaving them alone, indicating he also just wants to be left in peace. That is their nature.
The blood elves are the ravaged survivors of the Scourge. They live on and show their strength in the magic arts. They are humbled by this, even if they have become darker and bitter, and seek to regain their glory and honour. That is their nature.
The goblins, greedy creatures, live for money. They support conflict if it pays them, but they otherwise keep out of such matters. Many of the goblins we saw on Kezan and the Lost Isles seemed to just be regular folk who wish to make a living, supportive of their friends. That is their nature.
The Pandaren are easily the most peaceful race in the Horde. Hearty and strong, they hold reverence to their allies and aim to bring balance and peace to the world. That is their nature.
The nightborne, survivors of Suramar, have always had a great respect of their ancestors, finding nobility through tradition and holding honour and respect in high regard. That is their nature.
None of these races truly have war at their core, and a desire to seek it out. War always comes to them when an outside force forces them into it, such as the Burning Legion, or their leaders actively declare it. War is not in their nature, and Sylvanas is demanding the Horde not hold true to the nature of the races that make it up.
She is making them live lives not worth living, and that means they are truly dead, truly Forsaken.