Blizzard
Title says all! It is definitely not appropriate due to toxic. Stop Archon Tooltip addon! Thank you!
First thought its an april joke, seems not.
If this gonna block me from m+ runs, then i guess its time for me to find a new mmorpg, where they dont judge me for a total unreleated content.
Also pvp rating when?
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People already do this manually. Banning it would do absolutely nothing.
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I dont care M+ since Legion. Where Legion’s first time M+ as I tried ONCE and no interested.
I can see problem. I dont mind if no use M+. Reason I dont want trouble with this drama/toxic very unhealth life.
I’m casual player. I’ll only do finder dungeon or LFR. Me more enjoyed.
I ignored M+ .
Each of their own.
Don’t ban the addon, but give me the option of being able to see if someone who applies to my keys has it installed, or if someone whose key I am going to join has it installed.
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Doesn’t work this way I am affraid.
It will be the same situation as it was in the BFA when the raiderio was introduced.
Every group in finder will be like it was before “no rio = no inv”, of course this time it will be "no archon = no inv"or “lfm normal, only orange ppl” or “wcl 95+ or no inv” 
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If that means that people who have it installed make it easier for me by self-regulating themselves from accidentally applying to my keys, that’s good for me.
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Honestly, what would you expect from the WCL guys at this point.
It started as a fun and useful analysis tool.
It’s still that, but it’s also an elitism magnet, and merely installing Warcraft Logs means you get asked about whether you consent to your info being sold to like 1500+ partners.
Ridiculous company. Hope it dies.
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Some people already do this by checking the website. The overwhelming majority simply invite based on level and rio. Those that do check logs are at the high end and who already have ideas onw hat they are looking for.
With this being an addon and putting the info in game it will become a must have for everyone, which means another filter people apply.
But its even worse than that. One would think that its ok, a full break down is locked behind premium and most wont get premium. Sadly though this will have a worse impact.
What if someone does great at all raid bosses, but has 1 or 2 where they are asked to heavily focus on certain mechanics. This now tanks their average, although they are good.
Anyone not paying the premium price will only see the average, and ignore, and decline, or block based on this instead of getting a full picture (Not that it ought to be in the game to begin with).
Now to make matters even worse, the free version only updates once every week, so if you update before people have had a chance to raid and improve, or get their 5th kill etc etc that’s 1 full week of no data, and yes people will assume this to mean no logs or bad logs.
Time will tell, but honestly I only see this as being another blow to the community which at this point needs some tlc to bring it back to what it was, instead of plunging it further towards the toxic state it is becoming.
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I’m not using the rio addon and I wont use archon either. And from what I can see archon has already been around anyway (the way it looks also appeared familiar to me, so I have already seen others use it) but just now came out of early access to so to say.
For keys it also shouldnt matter much. Your score will be most relevant. Especially if you’re pushing because if you’re pushing your keys will very likely appear as 99 accross the board anyhow.
Fully aware. Had an 11 on Styx Mythic boss damage on first kill. 97 on rekill. Go guess why (3 balls compared to 1 ball say hi). But if raid leaders look after this then I’m either glad I dodged that bullet or they just want people to tunnel the bosses while their small premade is dealing with the mechanics (common on Sprocket from what I’ve seen)
The thing with premiums is that either someone copies the function really fast and makes it free of charge or Blizzard intervenes (the latter happened with Liquids Weakaura addon. Blizzard did not accept them charging for extra locked behind paywall functions and forced them to obey).
I absolutely want to see people use that for M+… and then they will realize that WoW logs mean squat in M+. In particular raiding logs.
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Had that with my guild leader. Guy had high scores in M+. Guild leader wanted him based on that. I warned the leader this means jackpoop. The guy turned out to be utter … cough… in raids. I am mocking him over it to this day and he has changed his opinion ever since. (same applies vise versa as you said)
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Ha ha ha, there is the rub.
This is data from WCL and WCL have already said they wont allow others to use their API for this data.
The data that is provided to them for free by users created by the inbuilt tools in WoW.
It shouldn’t matter, but you know it will. And kudo’s to you for not using the addons.
They cant really do squat though. Their data is also from Blizzard (the combat log uploaded). For keys WCL already uses RIO and/or Blizzards API to begin with for their data and the only additional thing they add is a combat log IF someone of that team decided to upload it. They are free to pursue legal action ofc but I don’t see this yielding any results in the long run.
For keys I don’t think it will matter. For raids you may notice it but unless youre boosted with 1 kill and grey log I don’t think it will matter THAT much (you may still notice it). But anyone that wants to use the addon religiously is a raid leader I want to dodge anyway.
I have way better experiences in chill (“trash”) pugs than tryhard sweatlords nofailorkickblabla groups. Same reason why I join weekly no leaver keys for vault.
The only way someone else could make an addon displaying this info is for them to also make a site for logs to be uploaded to etc.
and WCL is now too far entrenched, that wont happen, and off course as the website is theirs they are fully within their right to block off their api to others.
Or just go the russia/china route. There are ways to screw with them if one wants to. Thats why I said they are free to pursue legal actions but whether something comes out of it is a different matter.
But again WCL can only really control raid logs atm and their own % ranking. The amount of kills is already transmitted by Blizzards API and accessible by everyone. Key info is also transmitted by Blizzard and pretty much nobody goes and checks logs but only goes after rating and key completion.
it is gonna be a standard add-on, just like rio.
we all know this, some of us are just in denial, and some are already aware of this fact.
it won’t make any big impact on high-end content people, raid leaders, or key owners who were already checking that information by the web tools. It will make it easier for them to check, which is good.
but we all know that some manure people will see that people on high-end content or streamers are using it, and their brain will go through a basic process to reach this conclusion: “They are using it so it must be good for me too”. Then we will start to see people checking parses on normal raids, +2, +5 keys, they will decline people more than ever. I mean c’mon, people in this game think that meta matters on low keys. How can they not use it too, once they see more and more people going to use it on high-end content?
The barrier to start playing WoW for a newbie will be higher than ever as well. Imagine a new person who has leveled his/her toon, trying to find his/her way into mythic dungeons or normal raids (even heroic is kind of a low-end content nowadays) and will be declined because of the “parses” cuz an RWF raider wannabe Timmy will be checking the parses and picking the meta classes only.
TLDR; is a useful tool for high-end content pushing veteran WoW players indeed, but its impact will be negatively huge for the rest.
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You understand that wcl are part of this addon, and it is not “being build”, it is released. So I think either your information is out of date, or you must have misunderstood something.
As for the addon itself, it’s kind of a nothingburger.
Raider IO was used because it gave us information that we could not find anywhere, and also put a score into it, so players had something to do as a goal.
On the other hand we already can just see the parses of a player with minimal input. Also the only reason you want to check the parses of a player is when inviting him to a raid, to make sure it was not a boost and he has base knowledge of the fight (anything green/blue and higher is enough).
So yeah, I do not know what most people are worrying about. Nothing is changing, and some addon creators are trying to get exposure by drama.
Didn’t read the full topic, but doesn’t it works the same as WCL companion which shows to everyone the parses and rank of ppl, who have applied to the group
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