unplayable? Get real. Join a community. Not mine because you are an offending unpleasant person. But join a community and forget the whole existence of rio.
Get real.
Where is your own keystone?
Get real!
Unplayable… what a fail.
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Which community? Guilds which turned into boosting services? Communites which mock each others who have bigger rio? This is a world i no longer wish to take a part. Rio swayed entire WoW retail community into very toxic direction. How can you be blind to not see it.
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I am for 4 years in a community with thousands of players where nobody uses rio. But i am now not going to tell you anymore which one. ‘Everyone’ is welcome there.
I run there multiple dungeons a week to help players to get a weekly. For free, of course.
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Nah not desperate to play with them but WoW is social game, anyone in WoW need people, issue is; since majority of community become rio monsters, WoW looks very socialy closed for me. I spending to much time and energy finding or making groups, and dealing with rio politics, the time which can be used otherwise to play the game. For me I woud rather go with “non perfect grp” and play even if we wipe and get nothing, than wait 2hours before play. See thats why this rio is big detter for me and for alot of people. Community socialy distanced us because this stupid addon. Finding people and making group become really time consuming and tiresome process in WoW, all thank to rio, and this agony repeats each time player wants to do something.
You are perfectly welcome to your opinion on them, but what now, you want to dictate how they play? You are also perfectly welcome to deactivate your data sharing and not play with the rio people.
Incompetent or not, it’s their group => their rules. You don’t get to dictate how others should form their groups, what criteria they are allowed to use, who they need to take.
Then again, it’s baffling that you have such a low opinion of them, and yet you seem so desperate to play with them.
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I really have a hard time believing that a healer, needs 2 hours to find a group for M+.
It already is a hassle to find healers / tanks for most runs so i doubt people will let you sit in the groupfinder for that long.
Unless you queue for dungeons you didnt even complete yet at a very high key level.
Hahaha, only people that are so called rio monsters are people that ask 2k score to run a +5.
Everyone else asking 2k score for 16/17s and they want to time them are asking reasonable things.
I cant wait till your own rio score is up there and you can make your groups, feels like you turn into a so called monster yourself 
I dont even know or want to know how to check the score… I just know that people not even inviting me in dungeons I alredy completed in time. They say “low score you dont know instance” …Keep in mind that im not sighting up for instances from which i have no usable rewards or ones i dont know the stuff. Right now i mostly just want to play: king rest, atal dazar, workshop, junkyard, vilehold, wildcrest manor, im pursuing them for usable PvP gear, and for chance to get somehting from m15 chest. If i want to do them all on 15 i woud, but currently no will to dip deep into this, since main reward for m15 keymaster is subpaar, recolor of mount which can be easy obtainable by other ways, no carrot on stick to spark the will to play for all.
Well, thats not wanting to know your score or how to look it up is one thing.
But your lack of interest in the rest of the dungeons and only run the ones you want to run is keeping you from joining more groups. (which you cant in any way blame on rio, but you keep insisting it is due to rio you cant join more groups)
But as i see you are also in a raiding guild, you surely must have guildies that know how you play and they might run M+ so you could just join them.
3/4 of the posters here have already suggested:
Use your own key and make the group, the way you like it.
Join a community or guild
Make some friends
Yet Praetorian keeps chanting his “Rio is bad, rio is evil, Rio is Satan”.
At this point, I am not sure if its even worth discussing anything with him.
It will be the same as proving that the earth is round…to a religiously flat-earther fanatic…
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lol, if the earth was round we’d all fall off silly!
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So how without rio you would pick your team for timing SotS+20? I’m asking you a simple question.
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You think forming your own grp change the things? Alot of times when I form my own grp…guy joined and say “leader low rio I dont want to play, bye” or they just leave without a word (but i know why they left), also alot of times when I joined other group there was at least one guy who protest and say “this guy low rio, kick him or I leave” … but mostly they dont even let me to join, if I whisper to explain i usualy get red ignore list fonts… People judge me before they even play with me and this is what saddens me…
So evry time i attempt to play the game I must pass gruesome rio politics process, which is time consuming and tiresome, in the end it deteer me to play… Why? because people turned into fake elitist rio monsters… rio is greatest cancer ever in WoW, it really need to go for good, but keep worshiping, blizzard will realize what it done to their game, then we will raise a toast…
If you not believe into rio hell, you can easy recreate my situation, try to not play 1 entire season, then come back to play, no one gonna care if you did m20, 2 seasons ago, you know instances and tactics, maybe better than anyone in this grp yet, you wont get invited. Also do not rely on friends or guild (presume they are offline), after you log in game and see that after 2 hours you still jumping in Stormwind. you will speak different, and when this repeat each time you wanna play, this is time you gonna say: “screw it, i didnt pay sub to jump in Stormwind, there is other games on market” Thats exactly what happened to me, what else than to hate and disrespect this stupid score which is again BUYABLE.
If the majority use rio, then rio is good for them in some way.
So do that, and let others play as they prefer.
To sum up:
- it’s fine to not like rio, you are under no obligation whatsoever to like it;
- it’s fine to form your own groups by any criteria you like, rio isn’t mandatory for anyone;
- it’s fine even to have an opinion about players that use rio in the lines you have - that they are bad, etc.
- it’s NOT fine to ask to remove features that, according to you, are used by the “majority of the community”. Heck, it wouldn’t be fine even if they weren’t the majority.
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Pathetic. I remember from TBC that people asked me for stats before I join them, they were toxic too, right? Because they judged me from gear? If you hate judging people by experience then you probably don’t use resume to get job.
Anyway, either you are incredibly entitled or you are troll. You’re not worth any discussion.
Game existed before rio and it was fine, but with rio community faced greatest crhisis ever, open your eyes and look what people become ! You cant see that in any other game on market, WoW retail community become bottom of bottoms of deepest barrel in gaming world, its shame, and big failure of community managers, all because infulunce of some stupid buyable third party addon… it need to go for good.
So? How exactly is that an argument for banning some addon?
All I see is some people playing the game the way they want to, and you being (extremely) displeased about that. Doesn’t look good for you mate.
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This is just one of the countless threads where facts in raider io happened to hurt someone else’s feelings on how others should be compelled to pick them for their party.
Glad to know that raider io didn’t get banned in one of those umpteenth threads before and it won’t be banned in this one either.
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First of all we booth dont know if blizzard gonna ban it or not… However its not unusual to see devs “approving” or “disaproving” addons, it become common practice in other games, if devs feels addon swaying their game in direction they dont want, they simply “disaprove” addon, Blizzard not using this practice much yet, but in the future they may, because other devs doing it regulary… And there is alredy alot of questionable addons in WoW which existence can be discussed, like rio, PvP addons which report you enemy cooldowns etc (eliminating human error), It wont suprise me if blizzard start to filter addons like others do, it will happen soon or later.
I think its their natural and necessary step into right dirrection, because alot of things go out of control because wild addons. Overal addon is there to help people, but not to get them big advantage like PvP addons do, or change entire social community like rio done ! impacts like this really need to be checked out by devs, then they will have final words…
Well you could argue that RaiderIO is making people not as inclusive as they would be without any form of score-meta. That would be reason enough for Blizzard to put an end to it.
People that purely focus on RIO-score (or anything similar) often don’t give lower scored people any chance to prove themselves and purely deny them based on that score.
I understand why people would prefer others with higher scores but you can’t say it has zero effect on how the community is perceived by (new) players.
Blizzard is moving towards a similar system to FF14 with the mentorship program and probably will make it visible for others that you’re a new player. Having a somewhat elitist addon blocking new players from playing a big part of the endgame is something that definitely goes against that concept.
The thing is how can you fault a website posting pure information about who did what in terms of pve encounters for what players do ingame. Plus, it’s easy to blame players too, but how do you propose to force people to accept people they know to be potentially less capable than others in their application list. Because forcing that on anyone who tries to form a party would be the peak of interventionist behavior.
However I do support what the OP said in the light of right now raider io system displays information without the subject of the information’s consent, it only deactivates once you go to their site and choose an option. I think it should be the other way around. Raider io information should not be displayed without the explicit agreement of the person involved.
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