If anything it’s the player’s interaction with the addon that is at fault if any. One of the biggest complaints about Retail is that there’s no real community feeling. Having an addon that makes it easier for (elitist) players to deny others based on a score definitely doesn’t help improve the community aspect of the game.
The addon caters mostly to those at the higher end of the game, but I’ve ocassionally seen people make groups in the groupfinder of people with 800-1000 RIO score asking for people with 2000+ score.
If even the lower end of the chart is denying players, how does this help the community as a whole?
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I think the way it helps is that players will have more information on the person that applied to join their party and therefore will try to get the person most suited to the type of content they want to do so the process is as smooth as possible for everyone in the party. That way io actually does a huge service to the community. After all, you can’t force a sense of community down people’s throats by forcing them to accept people that they feel are less suited for what they want to do.
It caters to those at the higher end of the community so you’re talking about 5-25% of the total playerbase.
Those outside that percentage don’t feel that RaiderIO is doing them a huge service. So in a broader sense it’s likely that RaiderIO is not doing the community a service at all. It can be seen as a way to dehumanize players, players are just a number, nothing more and nothing less.
Personally the game is more fun for me to struggle with people that have fun personalities rather than being in a group just playing for the numbers game.
Note: This is just my personal feeling and in no way am I imposing that you should feel the same.
Blizzard can however offer a solution such as:
Blizzard internally tracks the highest M+ dungeons people have done, so they could give people rewards that already finished +10-15’s before when they help out players that haven’t done any M+ on their account or lower than +10-15.
Whatever that reward is would be something to discuss but I definitely would think it’s more likely people would be at least a bit more open for players that don’t meet a certain RIO-score.
An example could be that you get 10-15% more time on your key, some currency that you could trade for gear or extra chance on items dropping.
i feel you, really i do. but thats new mentality of the playerbase in 2020. it really sucks - people dont have to find friends to do high keys, they just look at the score of each player.
so you agree that this system helps quoting you, 5-25% of the playerbase? so why are we trying to take that away from people. Do you think if that is removed those people will suddenly feel like they want to play with players that have less accomplishments for what they want to do? The answer to that is an easy no. I understand that you feel that io is a bad system for you and you personally claim that there are more of you - of which I have no doubt. Then the solution seems very simple, don’t use raider io. Why is the mindset “whatever I don’t enjoy must be banned”, that makes no sense
You have completely misinterpreted everything I have said thus far. I never claimed otherwise that RaiderIO is useful, I also never claimed that it should be removed/banned.
I only stated that RaiderIO can be seen by Blizzard as something that goes against the current direction they’re taking with the Mentorship program and accessability to new(er) players.
Based on that IT IS POSSIBLE that Blizzard might limit the functionality RaiderIO has, or come up with solutions like I mentioned to soften the elitist behavior of some by allowing new(er) players to experience the content by rewarding those that help them out.
yeah I may have jumped to conclusions, apologies. I do hope blizzard’s solution is not to limit something that helps out a good portion of its players in a bid to supposedly try and help others. Sounds like something that wouldn’t likely work.
However the rewards system of some sort that you have suggested might partially solve some of the grievances so maybe if you carry a newbie with you it might mean better rewards
No problem. Perhaps Blizzard does nothing at all but they’ve broken several addon functionality of other addons before so who knows.
In my opinion it would be the best way to have people experience higher level of gameplay without penalizing the more experienced players. It has the added benefit where the more experienced players can help out new(er) players have a more broader understanding of how that type of endgame works.
This is a very underrated concept of the game in my opinion, everybody has to start somewhere and helping people getting a broader sense of how something works will help everybody in the long run.
If you get rejected constantly and can’t find people to do a certain type of content with, you’re more likely to not do that content at all as it is not entertaining and waste of time trying to get into groups.
A reward structure like that would make the type of endgame more widely available for those at a lower skill level and perhaps some of them will learn a thing or two to improve and be able to play at that level(+15) at some point without dragging down the rest.
why are some people SO against the process of vetting people they potentially want to invite for content with difficulty?
Can you not assume the PoV of these players for one second to figure out why they do it and why it’s a reasonable process to weed out unqualified players?
Naturally I’m not referring to the people requiring Ahead of the Curve for a normal run, or Keystone Master levels of RIO for a lvl 10 key, they are extremes (although it is within their rights to demand it), but more so the people who want you to at least have experience clearing level 10s before you join their 10-11 pug, same with 15s etc.
Nobody wants to waste extra time or risk depleting their keys when it’s as easy as this to get SOME assurance that your pug players might know what they’re doing.
Yes, we do. The fact that its been in the game for years now should give some hint…
It serves a very useful function. It’s just disconnected entitled whiners that think if they cry loud enough it’ll magically go away and be replaced by the pinkie promise addon where you tick a box to pinkie swear you know tactics and do mad deeps.
1st Your are handicapping yourself by not making friends or being in a guild/community. If you choose to play lone wolf then accept the “price” it comes with.
As they say* “The lone wolf dies but the pack lives on”*.
2nd. Who ever told you that it was easy?
Its a competitive game feature. Where every key holder obviously wants to make the best group he can. And also there is the case that for 1 dps spot there maybe are 6-7 applicants? Ever wondered about that? Why would somebody take you over druid B who has 3-4k rio score? I sat on my “decline” bench multiple times simply cause either my rio score was too low(rogue got hard stuck once when only dungeons which can give more score are locked behind by higher rio score). So I asked around my guild, friends and m+ contacts which i stayed in touch after some good pug runs. You know…socializing and networking and managed to get over the wall. Same with non meta classes like Spriest or a DK dps. Got over cause I was ready to work for it…even if there were setbacks.
Point being. Me and possibly others posters here share this attitude: I need to get over this wall(rio). It won’t be easy but I will get over it! Even if I slip and fall. I will get up and climb over it!
Unfortunately you have the attitude of: Maybe if I whine hard and long enough, this wall will go away?
Although…honestly. I am not sure whats the point of this discussion. You are so obsessed with blaming rio and pinning every blame on it. That I won’t be surprised if you blame rio in rl as well.
“I overslept and was late for school/work. DAMN THAT RIO!”
“There is no toilet paper in the house. DAMN THAT RIO!”
“Some politicians get corrupted because of that DAMN RIO!”
You are hopelessly lost in you rio-phobia at this point. Just make sure to check under your bed in case the big bad rio is hiding under it.
Its there for some times yes, but during BFA it escalated turned you into monestes, erroded community, promoted discrimination and encouraged boosting services to flourish. It help only people to be cretins, you are not sharpest knife in ladder if you worsthip score which is BUYABLE and worth 0 respect !
At least more logic than worshiping some stupid third party buyable spyware score, and thinking it proves somehting, and giving you right to judge people before you even play with them… I can understand this number is maybe only purpose in your life but you are prying in wrong church, it holds 0 value, be ashamed what you done to community, guys like you manage to turn wow retail community into rubbish, be ashamed.
Of course it gives me the right to judge them. We judge people in all of our interactions with them. You’ve been judging others all through this thread. Now we’re just putting a number to it.
I mean, Jesus Christ, if you’re going to moan about something (judging) - don’t be a hypocrite about it or at least think about the gaping holes in your logic.
Also, all of this wailing and gnashing of teeth is hilarious “oooh the evil addon ruined the community” What. A. Joke.
You are an idiot,I’m not hiding this is a very old account that I no longer play and I played few times in the past too.
Reader. If is the best mytbic+ dungeons along with some other adding
Only noobs and leavers hate this added.
So, you dont do the majority of the dungeons.
Sensible players use rio to check if you know your stuff in the dungeon you are queueing for.
I would have no issue taking you to a 13 FH if you have a timed 11/12 or untimed 13 FH under your belt.
I will however decline you instantly for any dungeon above 10 if you dont have any experience in said dungeon.
You can call that elitist, but i doubt you would hire a new co-worker if he doesnt have any experience regarding the job he is about to perform.
M+ starts at +2 and currently ends at +31. There is a lot to learn in between those 2 limits.
Up to M+9, i rarely even bother with rio scores, ilvl does the job for me when creating a group.
The biggest issue i have with threads like these, is people claiming they are being left out by the community while the basically are already starting off on the wrong foot by not even showing enough interest in the activity they are about to participate in.
i.e. your: i dont wanna do all dungeons so why should i bother mentality is a great example.
Thing is, I get declined even after completing a 16 Freehold because of my rio score. I don’t queue up for dungeons I don’t have much experience in. Main Mythics I do, Workshop, Freehold, Atal, Kings Rest, I don’t like the others. So my Rio won’t be high because I won’t do them.
Make your own group then? start from low key and work your way towards high keys, that’s one way you can guarantee that you’ll have a place in party as you’ll be making it. It is unfortunate but from your experience it seems like the parties you applied to join have just picked someone else instead of you, which happens often.
