Why? Why cant you just join calm keystones and have fun? or failtain?
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Or you are like one of those people, who prays for the God for lottery win. Days in and days out and the God comes and says - 1st to win lottery you should buy a ticket.
So you probably have not even tried and think evil RIO bans you form having fun!
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Because this doesn’t fit their narrative of anti RIO.
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Let’s take Praetorian’s example - because there might not be interest in a particular instance. This harms RIO score. Now what?
Those communities run any dungeon.
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Erm. Communities are not formed based on specific dungeons.
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Frankly, I am yet to see you in this thread say something valuable. I get that you have a lot of free time to write on the forums but your posts are a little meh when you write just in order to write something.
With or without RIO score taken into account? If with, my point is made. If no, you are not the mainstream.
I’m generally stay in all those no leavers keys. Some people have no idea about routes, how to get percentage or what to do with the various affixes.
There have been keys that have to give up though, I agree, they just can’t get past a boss and you’ve given it a good try. 30 wipes to first boss that’s rough. I have tried to point out things to groups, sometimes they take the advice other times they can be very hostile.
I don’t see how that achieves anything. I don’t understand this mentality that people must blindly accept everyone to their groups as if they are queuing for a normal or heroic dungeon. Even MMR is PvP is you choosing your partners/team without their info being blanked out. This change will just force people to measure other’s ilvls and achievements. Ilvl should be more relevant now that they’ve got rid of the dreaded TF/WF.
You can opt out of your data being shared or being on raider io as I explained previously, but you will appear to everyone as having no experience in mythic plus and be even less desirable to take 
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Like i said i think over 100 times before; it is not even allowed to use rio requirements in those communities. And it are the biggest communities out there. What do you mean about not mainstream?
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I guess it must be because I counter all your shallow points.
So here we have the classic example of : “All my points are countered, lets write a personal insult”
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Then I agree with you that such a community can be used to cicrumvent the negative consequences of RIO. By “not mainstream” I mean that you seem to be an exception, most people look at RIO.
Expecting a person giving and argument to have the required knowledge and experience to make that argument, let alone claim it superior, is completely reasonable.
Then you must know that RIO is not a matchmaking system and can’t be compared with one. A matchmaking system doesn’t even fit a thing like M+, which is why you can’t just queue up for it like normal/HC dungeons.
I’d be curious to see your own M+ matchmaking system design. Doesn’t need to be in this thread even. Just make a post. I’m sure it would be perfect.
I saw your maths claim but it makes no sense. Raider io is literally your mythic plus experience.
Of course people are going to run keys more than once and are going to build up score over time, no matter what level they play at.
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Forcing players to use discords communites (then to navigate into labyrinth of rooms there and alt tab game 100 times per day to play as intended), or join 100x communites in game then juggle between all those chats, or forcing people to change their privacy settings or suffer consequences… just to quench the damage rio done to community, is really not way to go.
Rio is third party and it started to usurp game, destroyed community, the third party messing with official blizzard stuff, if you ask me they shoudnt allow this, OK they let it go for now, but I honestly doubt they will allow rio to go for long, this situation is unsustanable, Blizzard will need to do something, either annex rio as part of official game (but fix its flaws) or ban it. Booth options = rio cannot retain is orginal form, it will be either officaly reworked or baned.
Yeah. We keep saying it, join a community. It is a way better experience.
This is the informationpage of Failtain.
Developing22/11/2016
Welcome to The Fail Train EU 2.0
The fail train is a discord community (cross realm cross faction guild if you like) where people can clear content in a friendly and relaxed environment.
The Fail Train is for players who are tired of running through group content at a ridiculous pace. Players who might feel a little anxious about queuing for content with strangers.
Players who are sick of being kicked for silly reasons. Players who may want to try a out a new class but are put off from doing so.
Learn with us, wipe with us, laugh with us, enjoy the game with us 
*You have anxiety issues or are just very shy
*You are tired of getting bashed in every group
*You are tired of how rude & antisocial the wow community is
*You are to busy or to rubbish to get into mythics or raids.
*You value doing the content with a fun and relaxed group
*You are tired of the “gogogo omfg hurry up &%#¤&” mentality
*You wanna try out new classes and specs but are unsure
Rules:
- Don’t be an a[sensord for forum]s
- No advertising for any type of financial gain is allowed.
- NO minimum achievement/gear/experience/m+ requirements, “ah inspection”, raiderio or similar terrible methods for judging players are allowed unless stated in this channel.
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It is a long thread, so I will repeat what I said above - the solution is to have a rating, but a Blizzard one. There should be a solo queue with automated matchmaking based on rating. A portion of rating would be visible, a portion will not, the usual.
As I also said above, RIO is a really amateur attempt at such a universal rating and it is flawed. Due to the way M+ runs affect one another, errors in RIO score snowball. Pretty soon any signal is lost and all you have in RIO scores is just other RIO scores, the ability of a player is filtered out and drowned behind the “you cannot even attempt to do this” walls. The rating is measuring not players ability, it measures itself. None of the real-world rating systems behave like this, most have separate visible and hidden parts, nearly all have multiple factors, nearly all have adjustments. No blame to the RIO folk, they did what they could, but this ends up being a net negative because it is so crude. Again, see my posts above.
So, we have a too-open armory and the absence of a good rating from Blizzard. This allowed the BS rating to proliferate and dominate. As a result we have what we have - lots of alienation and much less people playing M+ than otherwise would. If Blizzard want to do the right thing here, they should make the armory private and add their own rating with a solo queue.
The end.
It does not matter how you show it that the RIO is not the problem they believe that when there is no in-game indicator, they would net more runs. But we can see that this is not how this would work in real situation. I.e. we have already discussed systems like Gear scan (vanilla) or Gearscore (WoTLK) to the point on Challenge modes people required to find out your wowprogress character sheets if you wanted to run Gold runs.
So we do have experience of different systems. And in what world someone would think that i.e. ilevel is best metric ? Or achievents. In RIO you can see at least if person has worked themselves up (several runs in same dungeon) or what-not.
Also there is communities where like-minded people meet and can run things based on terms they like. Options are out there. Often it is still about person themselves, not add-ons.
We have countless of players, who have never installed RIO, and PUG why ? And how ? Communities and guilds. But to do that one has to make 1st step - go and make an effort to find like-minded people. It is easy to blame others for declining a key, yet people can always form own groups. But again why do that - it requires effort and they do not want to do this. Again it is RIOs fault.
And banning RIO would mean people would go back to wowprogress alike tracking, or raw ilevel based invites. And ilevels would get those people invited even less.
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What in the “maths claim” exactly did not make sense? I have 10 minutes to explain, then I have to go.
I’ve heard really good things about Scared of Dungeons too.
Not really wholly different from wanting to raid and joining a guild or community.
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