Simple you take all & do a five tank run
Twilight devastation is broken in this scenario anyways
I can confirm that we rio monsters have a secret discord where we compete with each other in how many low rio scrubs we decline from our groups. We also have meetings every month where we read every single declined player’s name out loud and laugh at their pathetic scores for hours on end.
But you didn’t hear that from me of anyone asks.
I am back.
They go out of their way to pretend that they don’t understand.
You are exactly right, the problem is not with the declines per se, it’s with the declines based on a bogus number that little to deal with your capability.
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I understand. I even revealed our best kept secret…
You are in a guild with 30+ 3k+player, they don’t invite you if you ask them?
But aside from that you have some keys you have barely touched this season, if you really need to pug, then do like every pug did before you.
Do a decent ML, a Shrine, and you basically increased your score by 240/320 points.
That is like everyone else did it. If some people in pug just watch the raw number, adapt and increase it.
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That would depend on the level of the key, many players get to the magic 15 keys and decide to not push further but continue to do keys at that level for various reasons (weekly, guild/friend runs etc). I’d personally give just as much thought for a 15 to someone who has completed 150 runs at that level as someone who has pushed to completing 3 25 level keys, both are significant in their own right.
Like I also said, RIO doesn’t have a metric for player attitudes which is where the system fails the most. I’ve had keys (my own and others) fail over poor performing high RIO players or those who’ve “proven” themselves score wise but have had incredibly abhorrent attitudes towards others in the group. RIO score is far from an absolute guarantee of success when all we do is base it on scoring.
This is all very nice but this in no way indicates that a player can perform to the level of the key they’re applying for, they may have X level key completed but their performance could have heavily been carried (even for those who haven’t been “boosted”). I’ve seen many keys break down over bad performance (from all roles) and really crappy attitudes towards others in the group.
No way! There more you and other players say this the more this argument becomes tired. More often than not this argument is applied in a place where no one has said they deserve the place just because they’ve applied, just like I never said. 
No one is saying they have the right to be invited, however when a system deems everyone to be “this good” because of a number you run into many problems where even the best suited players (both in performance and mentality) can get overlooked because the next person has an overinflated number for the key level.
And everyone knows that too, this isn’t new information. A lot of key holders will also wait out for the “meta” tanks and healers to join the queues even if there is a good one listed already that doesn’t fall into the top end of the meta ranking.
And as it is now, many keys will still be able to complete in time without those classes or abilities.
Players are looking for the perceived easiest route to success when pugging but forget that having the ideal class/spec/abilities means nothing when its also possible that the player behind the character either can’t play well enough or has a poor attitude and even quits midway through the run.
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Your post is very long and repetitive, so I am only going to answer what I think is a key point - for the length of the post your objection is pretty small, to be honest.
Why the net effect of RIO is removing people from M+ has been explained in the previous posts.
RIO both removes and adds people.
RIO adds people by adding a visible rating system that becomes a reward in and of itself. The number of people who are interested in this, however, is small, on the level of 15%, others do M+ one time a week for the chest.
The people added by RIO are at the top of the pyramid of ratings, where pyramid levels are pretty narrow.
RIO removes people by closing the door before them based on them having no rating or “insufficient” rating. I will reuse the example we already have in the thread to avoid diverting from the topic too much: (1) a PVPer wants to do a particular instance and is not interested in other instances because they have no drops for him, (2) because he is not interested in other instances, his RIO score is low, (3) he spends way more time getting into groups than he otherwise would. Not only this directly reduces the number of runs by increasing average time to create a group, this also stops many groups from being created, and most importantly, this detracts people from M+.
The people removed by RIO are at the bottom of the pyramid of ratings, where pyramid levels are very wide.
This is why the number of people removed by RIO is much greater than the number of people added by it.
A solo queue with ratings keeps the thing that RIO adds without having the negative sides. That’s why this is the way to do it.
Hope I explained it clearly enough.
The what now? Is this a higher than 15 thing? I’ve never had a problem getting invited to 15s regardless of the class I play as a tank or healer.
At the bottom people dont need rio at all. I get instant invites in dungeons. I do not have rio installed, i have not really a score even, and i invite myself whatever. Nobody asks for a rio score on the lower levels. I havent seen it mentioned even once on LFG.
https://raider.io/characters/eu/argent-dawn/tsjelvivy
I just started on this char at the bottom.
I don’t see how you would want to measure attitude. And I also don’t understand why you even point out that rio is not an absolutely guarantee of success. Of course it isn’t and it’s not meant to be.
It was not built to neither measure attitude nor guarantee success. It’s merely supposed to give you the information needed to maximaze the chance of success however you see fit.
I’ve sat waiting in the past with many groups watching what looked like decent tanks and healers getting overlooked because they’re not a Warrior or Druid/Pally.
Just because you have not experienced the same it doesn’t mean that there aren’t players that do this, but then again you’ve shown consistently how narrow your viewpoints are because they seem to mostly be about you and only you.
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Solo queue for challenging content is bound to fail. Right now all queues implies success ( at least in PVE), which lead to either:
- trivial content where ennemies use abilities more for flavor than danger
- ramping power boost in case of failure ( LFR raid, where content might be challenging for some so you gain +10% stat per wipe)
If a queue system shift to non rewarding content, then absolutely nobody will run it … Nobody wants to spend 30mn in queue + 1h30 hard failing a dungeon.
Moreover rio does not excludes people, people excludes themselves by not wanting to play with acquitainance and not wanting to make effort to be desirable ( which isn t hard nor time consuming)
That’s a product of being in the end of the expansion and you outgearing low keys massively. The wall is always there, it’s just that its position slowly drifts up. This doesn’t change a thing in that the keys for which the wall doesn’t work are of no interest to anyone, because the rewards are lower than those from world quests.
Solo queue for challenging content is absolutely not bound to fail and this is proven by PVP games which have much higher skill caps than WoW ever will.
You saying that people “exclude themselves” due to RIO is just another way of saying that RIO removes players from M+.
Excuse me? I started with M+ below 420 and the +6 and 7 i did below 440. I get gear there. How am i overgearing?
Look, are you again going to plug the no-RIO community that you are in? There’s no need to do it, I agree that a no-RIO community works.
No. I am showing you that at the bottom of your pyramid RIO is not taking away players, since nobody is using it.
You’ve never explained this. All you did was assume that it drives people away, guessed some random numbers and claimed it to be a fact with nothing to back it up.
That also means that there’s a lot more people not interested in rio, so there should be plenty of people to play with… no? Unless you try to go from the bottom of the pyramid to the top, or close to the top, skipping all the steps in between. If the community of anti-rio players is so large, then this should be a non issue because the only people interested in it are at the top of the pyramid.
You keep talking about this holy grail of a solo queue mythic+ system but still no specifics of how on earth you would even calculate the rating.
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So, what are you saying is that if I queue with 435 and no RIO rating for +6 or +7, I am going to get invited? If so, this runs counter to what others have been saying (not limited to this thread).
Not with 435 lmao
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