It’s been a very while know and it is starting to tire… we are near the phase 4 of WoW SoD and there are some people mounting ST and requesting more, and more, and now their last evolution is request LOGS… to see you if you went to ST and you did it well and/or you went there a lot of times. The problem obviusly is for the new players, this is a wall they will never break, which means this “rule” will kill this wow sod very soon, unfortunately. Unless… blizz do something like they did with GDKP to save the economy of the wow sod servers…
Because now this problem is happening with ST and right before phase 4 and nobody is complaining and a lot of people is now geared… but tomorrow we will have this problem in the middle of MC’s raids… and the plan is to solve this now and not after phase 4 launch and a lot of people can’t raid because of these useless requirements (gear is more than enough, this is a game, not a work).
So blizz… if you have to do something, now is the moment. Don’t let the mafia 24/7 people play only this game… and protect the casual and new players that wants to see your content.
Of course, i agree that people that creates raids can request what they wants… all pallys, all ranged, etc. The problem begins when ALL the people are starting to request something that… as i said… is a wall for casual and new players.
We want to play all the game, not just the 24/7 people. Understand… if tomorrow phase 4 appears and I can’t play enough in this phase and I begin to raid very late in Molten Core… i want to raid too xD… and i’m not playing and finding my Pre-raid gear just to come to a raid and being rejected because i’m not a 24/7 player because of the LOGS.
people have been demanding logs since phase 1 dude.
some players in this game are so awful at it, that its understandable that raid leaders ask to see your performance.
if your performance is bad you’re gonna get canned, so git gud.
as long as your parses aren’t literally green or grey you should be fine btw. most people ask to see logs to see whether you’ve actually done the raid before so they can curb your inability to do it right before they end up in a situation where they have to patiently wait for you to deal with the learning curve.
you can’t expect to join a raid without having active logs at this point in the phase.
So it is what it is, isn’t it? F in the chat for all new players and casual players… who can’t have the same time to gear and parse enough to ENTER a raid… so… raids are for you, the 24/7? I’m sorry but this isn’t fair for all the people.
I’m not protecting people without gear or without knowing what to do in a raid, you can re-read my main post… LOGS exists ni wow sod phase 1 and also in 2019 classic and Ive never been agree with that… the solution to create a raid with good raiders isn’t to forbide new people and casual people because their logs. You only need 2 things in WoW and will always be 2 things: HANDS/SKILL + ENOUGH GEAR.
Again… forbide people because of some numbers will end up killing the game. What people do you see for example playing always in Firemaw? The 24/7 of course… I’m sure there are new players but these ones went off fast when they see they can’t raid nothing… or raid and not picking 100% anything (because of the gdkps).
Of course, very agree with point 3 and 4. What I fear is… that all people start requesting the same
Okay, everyone is demanding these logs, so go ahead and create your own raid and invite new/casual players. I’m sure that this raid, consisting of new/casual and guildless players (who might have difficulties even purchasing consumable items for the raid and assembling pre-raid gear due to the above issues), is very likely not to get past the 2nd boss, maybe the 3rd or 4th at most. And this will be with a lot of wipes, during which players with limited time will leave.
By the way, I started raiding for the first time a few months ago, completely inexperienced… But I had a guild that allowed me to play poorly, and now I’m somewhat useful and have a bit of experience. So, I’ve never actually seen the logs themselves or how they are written.
And how might you know if a player has these two things before a raid? As for gear a simple inspect will suffice. But skill? That the player actually knows how to play the class and do the raid? How would you do that? Oh, right, logs.
That’s a problem if you think this way… because you think logs are needed to play the game and you’re wrong. This utility don’t have as much years than the game itself, and when it didn’t exist guess what: a lot of people were playing, wiping and seeing the content the same way. You are only in love with the logs… and the only difference is that… thx to that, we finish the raid 15-30 min faster -.- wtf
No. Skill isnt the logs… you pretend to sign an employee, without knowing him, and thinking is the best… that’s impossible… you have to give him 1 chance to see his skill obviously
BINGO you pointed out the issue yourself; skill and gear is a requirement, especially this late in the phase.
if you want to get in while having none of these, you need to start raiding when a new phase comes out while everyone else is at the same level of skill/gear as you - not when its about to end, because at this point in the phase, people have very little patience for newcomers and noobs who make mistakes that cause raid wipes.
Just lie to them… my bro did this all 3 phases because he was a very slow leveler. Tell them “here are logs of my main char” and just give them a random char name with acceptable parses between 60 and 80.
Nobody cares after all.
Never happened so far, and if somebody would demand that then just say “oh nevermind i just got an invite from another raid” and then look for a new pug raid.
Im not a fan of logs but if people want it let them.
With such a decline of player numbers raids taking even a freshly dinged chars at this point, you can complete a raid with couple noobs in the group.
Most times even if you dont have logs you can just say to the raid leader that you watched a guide on youtube and it will be enough (do watch the video).
All new players sould understand that this game is more productive and more fun in a guild this is the best way to learn the game.
Guilds are all recruiting right now. P3 overextension is bleeding them and even guild that had 2 roster in the begining of the phase struggle to fill one roster.
At that point , going in pick up is a voluntary choice