Now TBC will come in a year or so, and you’ll be left with nearly no one to compete with, with your precious worldbuffs. Have fun 
Spending gold on consumables and getting world buffs is unhealthy? What is the loading screen tip? “Don’t be a tryhard because casuals will get mad”?
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It’s kinda funny how you were laughing at me before for caring about logs, but then you feel the need to have a mechanic in the game that allows you to stroke your e-peen like this.
I don’t even use it and i don’t care about my e-peen! I just know that others like to do it, even people in my own guild/raid and it doesn’t make me mad that they put in more effort than me. They basically carry me because they tryhard so much and i don’t.
Yeah but why are you now defending people who care about stroking their e-peen when you were just saying, a while before:
Doesn’t it mean your guildies, too, are just poor souls that only live for their “ePen competition”?
Maybe you’re just pissed because you wouldn’t get to grief people quite as much if wbuffs weren’t a thing? I mean, that could explain your attitude.
You want to remove world buffs because you don’t like layering?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to ask for removal of layering…?
Also, you don’t have to “log out for hours” to preserve them. Firstly - you don’t need to have them at all, they are a boost but the content is easy so you do not require them. They are genuinely optional.
But secondly, you can just arrange to get your world buffs just before you go raid.
Every one of our raid days, it’s like: 19:15 get Tribute, 19:40 Hakkar, 19:45 Onyxia, 19:50 move to raid instance for 20:00 pull.
Your guild may be different or perhaps your server is poorly coordinated, and sure if ony buff is 2 hours before your raid that’s a pain, but you can still get other world buffs any time you like.
I don’t defend them really. It’s true that my guild members who care so much about logs and their e-peen competition are also poor souls. That’s just how it is and i think it’s okay if they do it as long i don’t have to do it.
Obviously i would be sad if i can’t kill other players so that they lose their world buffs. I explained why i enjoy it so obviously removing something that i enjoy is sad for me.
So basically you’re happy with pitying your guildies as long as it allows you to grief other players.
You’re the true poor soul, here.
Clear all buffs when you enter an instance. If you can’t get it while all of you are in there, then you don’t get to keep it. It’s hardly unfair: the exact same thing happens when you die.
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If this is your definition of a true poor soul then that’s what it is.
Of course someone who is playing on a pve server is bringing up the word “Grief/grieving” so frequently… Do you think other players who use worldbuffs and consumables are a threat to your safe space because they do better than you in raids?
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No I think that even if I were the only one using those it’d still suck to see most of my DPS potential erased by a Burning Adrenaline, a stray cleave or anything that stupid. Though yeah I can understand that something in the game not being about WPvP can easily go over your head.
But don’t worry, you have my thanks. At least you confirmed once again what kind of people are those who are content with Classic as it is and/or beg for Classic+. I’m just glad you’ll all be out of commission once this whole Vanilla cycle is over.
Lol that comment is so absurd based on the fact that so many realms are locked and full because the game is to popular. Way less people are quitting than expected.
Classic is based on 1.12.1 so world buffs should work just like they did in 1.12.1. Simple.
You dislike worldbuffs/consumables because you might lose them when you die to something stupid/out of your control and you hate to see that?? What a good reason to change the game, lol. bashing me for not thinking like this comeon xD
World Buff are probably the second reason why people left Classic (the first is being bored of the game).
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They favor toxic env : when someone die in raid with world buff, the first thing to do is to search the reason why he died and who is responsible, and then the toxicity start, because this guy know his Warcraftlogs for the current week are dead.
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They provide to much power : if you are less geared than someone but you have world buff, you will do more damage than them.
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They make the game to easy : since they are overpowered, boss time to kill very low, mechanic are skipped, boss die to fast, easy as hell.
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They force yourself to gatherer all of them before the server restart Wednesday, due to layering, and then you have to stay logout way before the raid to don’t loose them.
World Buff should be a catchup mechanic for players that struggle to clear the current content, activated 3 month after each raid release. But well, now it’s to late.
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Yeah I do dislike having to spend 20-30 mins going around the world collecting buffs that can be wiped out by a single random death. At least when it comes to consumables, once I died I can just use more - I still get “punished” for dying, or for waste time, but not to such an extreme extent. (And before you say “don’t collect them then”, I dislike just as much going into a raid and doing just barely half the dmg I’d do if I had collected all the aforementioned world buffs).
Also Silinaee makes some good points, especially about what world buffs do in terms of guild/raid atmosphere, even in pugs.
It’s not toxicity, it’s just entertainment. Nobody cares if someone dies during a raid without buffs but if someone with buffs dies then it’s hilarious. If someone really gets toxic because of those buffs, they would probably be toxic in general so it’s more an issue of that specific player being immature. It adds content because drama is classic content.
The dmg output of players isn’t equal, there will always be players who do more than others and some who do less. It’s only normal that not everyone is doing the same dmg and In the end it doesn’t matter because the game is not fundamentally a damage competition.
The game is already pretty easy and if you want to have a challange then don’t use the buffs. You can also increase the challenge by raiding naked (OMG gear makes the game easy!!) and go in with less than 40 people. You can basically increase the challenge as much as you want.
Nothing is forced, nobody needs to get those buffs if they don’t want it.
If you personally feel forced to get them then maybe check out what the word “peer pressure” means and how to to avoid playing with jerks.
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Those points are all pretty bad and i explained why in the post above.
If I remember correct. Worldbuffing for raids was not thing back in vanilla. Rather a consequence of this sad meta min/max culture developing on private servers.
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If only from the beginning #nochanges meant something else than “stock 1.12”…
Alas, there’s something nice even about such a nasty thing as world buffs. The world buff rituals, organization, dramas form a unique gameplay. Maybe we’ll even miss it in TBC.
It doesn’t surprise me that a person like you would find “drama” entertaining.
At least in TBC and WotLK the people who deal more dmg tend to be the most geared and/or skilled ones, instead of those who stayed logged off to conserve their wbuffs and/or were lucky enough to avoid dying to random trash pulls.
The point is not just about how much challenging the content is for you, but how much it is for others as well. You sound like the kind of guy who doesn’t mind stuff like LFR. Personally, I preferred it back when only a select few could enter places like Naxx or SWP.
Told by a jerk, it does sound exceedingly ironic.
But again, if you don’t give a damn about your PvE performance and you only care about killing people outside instances, then we rly aren’t looking for the same things in this game.
You didn’t really do a good job at them. Or at least, you keep speaking like a person who doesn’t give a damn about PvE, doesn’t mind being carried, and only cares about WPvP. Thankfully, a lot of ppl aren’t like you.