Hi everyone, what are the classes that can counter enhancement shaman ?
I think the better question is what can’t? 
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Are thye this weak ? they have a lot of good tools and a huge burst.
I just realised this is in the classic forum
Oops
Then i have no clue, i dont pvp in classic
Mage, as with any melee damage dealer, or any other ranged with a trap or slow.
Frost shock, earth sock, dispel, grounding totem, can’t those really help ?
when it comes to shamans in 1.12, don’t be fooled by the enhancement spec and the occasional one shot wf procs that may occur. Sure, sometimes you’ll completely global someone, and that’s really fun, but the rest of the time you’re not going to have that much fun.
The 30/0/21 ele/resto spec is way better: op burst, super consistent, great offhealings, good survivability, a really good pvp spec overall.
Now to answer your question: a lot of classes can own enhancement shamans. Frost mages, shadow priests, warlocks, hunters, rogues… you can definitely kill them, but you rely so much on your wf procs that it can be very frustrating.
In the meantime, the only really big counter that an ele/resto shaman has is warlocks because of curse of tongues, and rogues IF you’re not an orc (because of how insane stun resist is). If you’re an orc and you know how to use your totems you can really one shot rogues.
Tldr: don’t go enhancement when ele is so much better
If you balance it up 0/30/21 you will have sustain to knock most things out. Its a matter of scaling. On low gear, which everyone is now, you will defeat everything.
Come BWL, warriors and rogues will just gank you, but that is far away now. And you may still opt to outgear them.
You will have a better chance than most people at SP, a real PvP machine almost no one can handle; you can.
It is only in the long run when more and more gear becomes available that your scaling becomes a problem. For the coming 6 months, with some skills, you should have a blast.
Also: I believe we follow the Legion client and that means that anything that can proc, WILL proc, and then gets a short internal cooldown.
This means you get to WF proc reliably, and the ICD depletes as you move to your next target.
In short: you will WF reliable and I believe Enh shaman will be an amazing class in PvP.
Quite interesting thread,and thank you for some useful information guys.
So untill BWL,AQ,Naxx enh have it better?after that its meh?
The real issue with Enhancement is that it can’t really do anything better than Elemental, except for melee swings. Often you’d opt in for Rockbiter simply because it’s more reliable damage than windfury, which may or may not proc.
Issue with opting in for rockbiter is that you’re going for more reliability and at that point, you should probably be asking yourself why you aren’t just playing Elemental.
You’ll suffer against almost anyone who knows how to play to their own advantage. If you keep an enhancement shaman at range, they just can’t perform.
Some shamans had the strange idea of going for an elemental/enh hybrid spec, but this type of spec relies greatly on your shocks and chain lightning: Once again, why not just play elemental?
Furthermore, elemental can afford to dive into resto to get that instant spell cast ability, which essentially gives you more applications in combat.
Even in spite of all this, some shamans swear on their life that enhancement is a fun spec to main. I say that you have to be of a very specific mindset to enjoy it.
enhancement is never better than ele/resto for pvp in 1.12, even if the second spec does need some gear to get much better.
In group pvp enhancement is completely useless, like a ret paladin: your role should be to burst target from a distance, while off healing when needed, and refreshing windfury, grounding, stuff like that, while staying alive.
Hard to do that when you’re a melee and you don’t have your 3min instant healing cooldown anymore.
Not really, you’ll be in roots all day everyday.
I do see the points and appeal in Ele then Enh.Ench fish hunting the rng wind procs is just annoying and at least goes against the class fantasy.
I leveled so far as Ench,but might try Ele,will see.
What do you guys think of ele/ench raid wise?is it mana hungry?
As a shaman in a raid you’ll be expected to utilize a technique called “Totem twisting” this is expected of shaman players regardless of their spec (unless the guild is very casual of course).
speaking of casual, elemental runs out of mana very quickly. Even if you downrank spells, pot and prepare yourself with all available means, you’ll go oom before long.
You’ll either have to A) Find a guild that doesn’t care about efficiency and wouldn’t mind having someone barely doing anything in the raid
or B) Find some good friends that don’t mind carrying you.
Elemental IS possible for raiding though. Content creator Orcbit has done some raiding as elemental, but again, it’s all an uphill battle.
As for enhancement raiding: Once again you’ll need to totem twist.
Enhancement can’t keep up on damage at all. On rare occasions, you might be able to crack the bottom of top-10 with some good RNG, but otherwise, you aren’t a very valuable member of the raid if we look at it purely statistically.
There’s a two-handed axe called “Nightfall” which can leave a debuff on the target boosting magic damage taken by 15 %. This weapon is often used by hunters and enhancement shamans because it’s a lot of bonus damage for all your dps casters.
That’s about it.
Enhancement is the definition of an uphill battle whether you want to go PvE or PvP. In reality, its best application is for leveling and even then most people go for the 1hand+shield combo.
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I was more interest to hear it from guys who know how it looks in raids enh/ele wise in Vanila/Classic(i started to play the game at sunwell patch,and never played pservers , played retail since then shaman/pala).I do see it kinda gets boring and expected to go resto at max lvl since i see it more challanging and fun for me.The ench isnt that special its mostly fishing for procs…and elemental i do see the apeal in group fights.I went ench just for the sake of leveling.
Thank you for all the info.If its no problem,can you explain what do you mean by totem twisting?
I believe totem twisting is where you place your WF totem so that people get the 9 second WF buff, then swap to Agility totem.
Then swap back to WF totem before it wears off so that the buff is refreshed.
Nightfall is also better used in the hands of an off-tank. There is absolutely no reason to bring an enhancement shaman to a raid, unless you’re a casual guild that simply likes the player. As enhancement, you’ll do nothing in raids aside from get carried.
If you’re raiding casually with friends, then it’s not a problem.
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There is a way to play Enhance which is pretty strong but nobody ever plays. But it’s relying on the ability “Flurry” from the enhance tree, which is when you crit, you gain attack speed. Now this attack speed persists through weapon switching so you use a dagger with say, 1.3 weapon speed, when switch to 2 hander when you crit, and back to dagger when flurry is off. And rinse repeat like that along with the WF/Agi totem twisting.
It just adds another element to an already frustrating playstyle, but it improves your damage at least.
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Well, looks like it’s even weaker than in retail xD
If we dont talk about noobs, and players are PvP equiped, then probably everything counters enh (as long as shaman dont get some superlucky wf crits). Its just meme spec.
You can’t switch weapons in combat!