Best PvP Melee Spec Shadowlands ARENA TIER LIST | Arena Mid Season 1
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I would not place frost with arms and ww in same tier and maybe unholy not as good as survival/dh. But the Rest seems on point
Seems good. Would just need two more higher levels:
S+ monks
S+++ warriors
I would go S+++++ for warriors, if we are to go retard on forums, at least let’s go full retard, no ?
I tried to make the Tierlist based on the specs am putting.
Warriors and Monks are for me the best meleespecs and maybe I should have made an S+ tier. But In my opinion Sub rogues and enhance shamans are not stronger than Rets or DK’s ( not talking in a 1V1 perspective but purely in arenas.)
We need to factor in alot of things while making a Tierlist. I can’t put Sub rogues on the same tier as warriors. Ret paladins are just better than Enhancement shamans.
Like I said in the video, for me out of all the hybrids, Rets are the best ( if you aren’t counting Monks as a pure hybrid spec).
That’s why I put Ret in S tier and Enhancemenet A tier, which isn’t a bad tier to be in.
I play Fury warriors and they are definitly not the worst. In a normal tierlist, I guess you could put Outlaw with Fury on the same tier, but again I try to rank them ( Like a TOP10 for exemple, I would put Outlaw as 10 and Fury as 9 ).
Ferals are more reliable and have more comps to play in than SV hunters, DH is average, like SV hunters are at the moment ( see my explanation when i’m talking about SV hunters.) FDK are S tier, Believe it or not, FDK in a comp makes the comp just better just because of the support it can bring to a team.
As a standalone, no FDK aren’t that good because they are 1 minute wonders… But they are GREAT in 3s and can handle themselves in 2s.
Unholy isn’t THAT bad. It is average if you see the melees. They have a few comps they can perform, but Of course it has the same problem as Fury with Arms.
Frost is just THAT much better, which makes Unholy just unwanted.
Things will change tho!
I mean, people complain about warriors and Monks, but i feel we just need to make the other classes compete with them and not the other way around.
On top of my mind, there is like 6 / 7 specs that are just on top of everyone, you can’t possibly nerf them all, so let’s just buff the others and see how it pans out?
They are definitely stronger than DKs, and that’s why enh and sub rogues should be in the same tier as ret.
You put enh below dk which also doesn’t make any sense. DK has (at best) 1 viable comp, and that comp happens to be with a warrior and resto shaman which are both broken.
No, DHs are really really bad atm.
In reality, it makes it worse. If you replace the fdk in tsg with ret, enh, fire mage etc. it immediately becomes better
It really is, and it’s not even close to average.
They don’t have a single one.
No offense, but I think you’re just lacking the high level experience to judge those things in the proper way.
Excuse me, WW Unholy is a viable comp, Affliction Unholy is a Viable 3’s comp. You are really stretching. This isn’t a Glad / 3K rating tier list, I also stated that in the beginning of the video.
FDK is S tier, What you are saying doens’t make sence. Warriors and Monks prefer to play with a FDK for multiple reasons.
They have great setup, they have great cc, they have great BURST damage, they have permaslows and they are great allies to have.
Sub rogues are not S tier, and that’s for sure. Except if you are willing to put Warrior and Monks on a different tier and maybe then I can make an argument for it.
Ret paladins are at the same powerlevel as Enhancement? They do the same things but Rets have more consistent damage and more reliable healing and utility.
DH’s are average, again, it’s a melee tierlist, If we make a complete tierlist with Casters, healers, tanks etc, Then we can make an argument for DH being under-average.
But we try to make a tierlist in a vacuum, see it more like a Top10.
I’ve seen lots of good DH’s using The Hunt as bait and making people pop cd’s for nothing. SV hunters just lack real talents, they need to unprune alot of things to make SV hunters above average. ( I play SV hunter, I really like the fantasy but they need to sort alot of things out.)
It’s not
It really isn’t
But what’s the point of it then? How does it work to have a tier list that doesn’t assume that classes are played on the highest level with the best comps available for them?
They don’t though. They actually prefer to play with rets, enh or fire mages.
They are, except if the player is bad, but that’s not something that should be included in the tier list then.
They still aren’t. They are borderline unplayable right now and if you take a look at the ladder, the highest DH comes at #278.
Again, if this is supposed to be some low rated tier list then w/e but if you assume that those classes are played at their highest possible level, it just doesn’t make sense.
Well According to Arena mate representation above 2.1k The List should look like (for 3v3)
S Tier
Arms Warrior
A Tier
Retribution Paladin
Sub Rogue
Windwalker Monk
B Tier
Frost DK
Enhancement Shaman
Feral Druid
C Tier
Everything Else
Shamans are divided into 3 equal represented specs. You kinda have to factor that in dont you think?
U ds ret is s tier stop defending ur main 0 clue talk again from a ret mainer 
Mate, I don’t know if you play other games than WoW.
But in all games, you have tierlists based on Rating.
If your skill-level is 2K rating, you can’t compare yourself with someone with 3K rating skill level wise.
Unholy has viable comps, I don’t get why you state that it isn’t a viable comp. Do you mean by it that they have better teammates? Then RMP is also not viable because Warrior/mage pala is more viable than RMP ?
I don’t like that statement, it’s the essential problem that WoW pvp has, people just forget ‘‘lesser’’ meta specs and just label them as garbage.
DH aren’t unplayable, It’s not because the highest DH is at #278 that it means you can’t reach 2K-2K4 with it.
Unplayable for me, it means that you can’t reach mid-elo ratings, which is obviously not the case.
They prefer to play with a DK. Trust me, Rets and Enh don’t give the same kind of pressure and setup than a FDK can do.
FIre mages are top contenders in that regard tho.
Also I forgot to react on your statement with Warrior FDK RShaman. Do you just simply forget TSG?
The point of a ‘‘lower’’ elo tierlist is to state that the meta and the comps/specs that you are playing, are maybe more viable at lower elo since people can’t punish the obvious problems that some specs/comps have.
Very bold of you to think that you can punish mistakes as well as 3K rated players.
I mean, 17% of all DPS above 2.1k are Warriors, while 6% are Rets. If Rets where on par with Warriors, they would be up with them. Instead they are closer to the representation of WW and Rogue. A Tier is still a super strong tier… Whats the problem?? A Tier and S Tier are amazing. B is averge and C is fairly weak
This is still wrong.
then your definition is just wrong. If the best player in the world gets 2.4 as an unplayable spec doesn’t mean it’s playable.
Again, you’re just wrong, and it’s okay but don’t insist on this being a fact
For example, you can sometimes win against really bad players playing an unplayable class, but that doesn’t mean it’s viable. You could be 1000 rating higher just playing an S tier spec instead.
And I assume your word is something to preach for?
I’m not the only one saying that FDK are S Tier.
Agree to disagree I guess. Thank you for debating with me
Besides some choices you make, what do we (viewers) do with this specific tier lists? I think you should be more specific about the context of the tier list.
It’s now “Best PvP Melee spec tier list”, but 2v2 is not 3v3 and that is not RBG, LFG groups don’t even have the same tier lists as solid communicative groups, 1400 rating vs 3k and so forth.
Not to put you down, but this list was quite useless. We already had 25 of these tier lists, and they all differ slightly.
Hi Magiola, thank you for your feedback.
I did say in the beginning of the video that it’s for Lower rated players, and it is for 2V2 and 3V3 arena.
I guess I could be more specific and make a video for 2s and 3s, but then I feel like i’m streching content just for the sake of it.
I tried to make the criteria as follows, good in 2s? Good in 3s? Fun ? Available comps to play in? Current meta?? And a few other factors.
Hopefully now you understand a bit the reasoning behind this tier list.
Although frankly thought i made it clear in the video itself.
Just for the record I watch tier lists made by skill-capped and supatease normally and no one puts fdk as S tier, but it’s your tier list so you do you.
So did I, and they can be right.
But for me they undervalue FDK and overvalue Enhancement for exemple.
I’m actually surprised that people are that upset for me putting FDK at S tier and not putting Sub and Enhancement at S tier.
Feels weird, especially for rogues, where they are not the powerhouse of the beginning of the season.