The nerf was to drums though? it’s just people being confused and taking it as a nerf to LW which it isnt.
How is a nerf to an aspect of a thing, not a nerf to the thing it self?
Thing is you’re absolutely right it sucks for those who have LW ironically I have a LW character but personally I believe moving away from the still LW Drum meta is far more healthy to the game overall than letting a few players have their fun spamming drums all day.
And it isnt nerfed, it is changed so it is now only required of some, but not all people.
They nerfed 1 created item that’s literally it so the skill itself will still do what it always has which is create boe/bop gear and with TBC leg enchants so it’s not a useless profession it’s just not as OP as it was back in TBC.
It’s extremely nerfed for Feral druids.
We can’t use the drums in form anymore, and especially for a bear tank that’s just a big no-no.
Additionally less Leatherworkers will provide less Leg Enchants, BoEs and whatnot, thus making LW more profitable.
If anything killed the goldmaking-value of LW, it was the old system where everyone was LW, cause everyone was able to provide Leatherworking-related goods
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It’s still a bad money-maker when you compare it to the alternatives though.
Your market is one item slot, and only physical classes can use it at that, so even with less competition you’re looking at a fairly limited market demand.
Compare that to an Alchemist, and the profit difference is just too ridiculous to ignore.
This is a great change that free’s the majority of the raid from learning a craft they otherwise would have no use for. Thank You.
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Reverting a nerf because it doesn’t make as much gold is a very selfish reason imo.
It’s a nerf that is for the good of the game and people are being blind to that point because my precious gold making like good grief…
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Alchemy might be better for goldmaking but it doesn’t provide anything for the Raid (Drums)
While Leatherworking won’t be the king of goldmakers, it will still have some stuff that people will always need and also still gives drums, that benefit your party/raid.
I really can’t share your dark future for Leatherworking
But what they should do: Drums usable in shapeshift and no casttime, to make it available for every role
I think you got me wrong.
I was referring to your reply on Entarion’s point, that the nerfs killed the value of Leatherworking now
I agree it is a good change and LW will not die and still be valuable to pick (not for everyone, but for some)
Ah yeah I misunderstood your point and thought you were trying to advocate for a repeal of the nerf because of gold making xD
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But by your own logic, sure more drum charges would be needed, but also EVERYONE would be a leatherworker. Which would create far more supply. The demand (number of drums needed) + supply (number of LWs) has both gone down with this change, so it’s kind of a net neutral change to the LW economy. Only downside I see for the proff economically is that there will be less “lazy” raid loggers who would just purchase them off the AH, but like you said, most people would just farm the couple matts they needed for each week anyway.
The funny thing is, if they did #nochanges, there would be more LWs and far fewer of the other crafting professions out there. Which would mean a lower supply of Alchemists and JCs, while the demand for their crafts would remain the same, meaning indirectly buffing those proffs in terms of gold making. So making them even further ahead of LW for making gold. When you look at it this way, its actually a buff to LW comparatively to the other gold making proffs.
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LW won’t outright die for the classes/specs that can benefit from it (ele shamans in P1, enh shamans in P3 for instance).
But for a Feral druid or rogue, this profession is about as worthless as it gets atm, especially when we druids can’t even use the drums in form (doing that when tanking is suicide for instance).
Primalstrike is hot garbage as a BOP set as well, and you’ll generally get upgrades in Kara before you can even manage to gather the mats for it (if in a decent guild that goes Kara as soon as it’s up).
Again I’m not saying they shouldn’t nerf drums (they should if it creates a toxic meta), but Blizzard should also keep in mind why they made drums so good in TBC to begin with - because hardly anyone was running LW in early TBC due to it generally being a crap profession compared to the alternatives.
Ideally I’d like to see a compensatory buff to LW, the profession is indeed lacking as it stands now (just like it used to be in early retail TBC).
That it one aspect of it, yes.
The other is that drums generally aren’t a good source of income, because of how little they (comparatively) cost to make, and the large amount of charges you get on them (50).
Usually 1-2 drums will have you set for an entire week, and that’s including lots of wipes and using drums in dungeons as well.
Compare that to Haste Potions from Alchemy, where every physical dps class and their mother will chug these things on cooldown for the entire expansion, therefore needing a ton of them at any time.
Last time I raided in TBC I wouldn’t enter a raid night without less than about 40 of these ready, as you just burn through them that fast (including every other physical dps on your server).
LW just doesn’t come close to the money-making capabilities of more in-demand types of professions.
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That should imo not even be a discussion.
As it stands atm, drums are doubly nerfed and completely unuseable for one of their target audiences (ferals).
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Good. Good!
Seriously, playing Blizzard games is like a rollercoaster of emotions, immense disappointments followed by rays of hope, up, down, up, down. Fix this, screw up that, fix this, screw up that, fix seals, drums, enchanting and LW, introduce boost and paid mount. (I don’t much mind, but apparently many do).
But this is good. You are alright Blizz.
Edit: I wonder what the next low will be. Probably TBC launch having HFP just down for 3 days and people falling to their death over Barrens instead of zoning in.
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I would imagine the next low as you put it is likely gonna be people complaining about queue’s or that HFP will have so many people they can’t do the quests.
LW now provides literally no reason why you should obtain it further than Pre Raid BiS. Look at the BiS Items for several leather / mail classes in P1 and P2 and you will realize that LW offers maybe one item for them. So how can you say that LW offers “a great variety of tiems”?
Great variety as in a large number of not necessarily good items persay but just lots of them.