Hello,
at the beginning I would like to mention not to show hostility to anyone (including Blizzard) in this post.
My beloved class that pulled me into the world of PVP WoW 10 years ago was MM Hunter.
Not long ago I returned to the game and I regret to say that unfortunately at the moment (probably for several years lol) this spec is useless in Arenas ( and few specs more ). This is shown by the statistics below which represent % of players who have achieved a given level of 2200 CR or more.
[Destruction Warlock] 9.5%
[Assassination Rogue] 9.5%
[Havoc Demon Hunter] 7.2%
[Fire Mage] 6.9%
[Arms Warrior] 5.3%
[Shadow Priest] 4.3%
[Unholy Death Knight] 4.2%
[Windwalker Monk] 2.8%
[Elemental Shaman] 2.7%
[Frost Mage] 2.5%
[Survival Hunter] 2.3%
[Balance Druid] 2.2%
[Retribution Paladin] 2.1%
[Feral Druid] 1.9%
[Frost Death Knight] 1.5%
[Outlaw Rogue] 1.3%
[Fury Warrior] 1.2%
[Arcane Mage] 0.7%
[Enhancement Shaman] 0.6%
[Subtlety Rogue] 0.6%
[Demonology Warlock] 0.3%
[Beast Mastery Hunter] 0.2%
[Affliction Warlock] 0.2%
[Marskmanship Hunter] 0.2% Source: World of Wargraphs
Yes - 0.2% of Hunters as the MM spec manage to play at the competitive level and this is exactly the last place among all DPS Classes.
I know you canāt balance everything - but does the Hunter quintessence really have to be at the very end? And nobody does anything about it?
I am writing this because I know that many of you PVP Hunters are still waiting for MM return to PVP at the competitive level ā¦
We are forced to play hybrid melee spec although most of us have created the Hunter class ESPECIALLY FOR MM spec !
I personally think that according to data above, everything above 6% requires small nerfs and everything below 2% requires small buffs in PVP.
When it comes to MM:
why there is DR between Scatter / Trap ?
why such irregular and clumsy spell like Aimed Shot has such long cast time ?
why we can not cast Aimed while running ?
Seriously small changes can bring back this beautiful spec to Arenas ā¦
Leave your comment pelase.
Peace !
PS - Dont look at my char here, just forgot to change it to my 120lvl one
I think making every spec for every class viable and balanced in every expansion is an unrealistic goal. Especially when some specs are incredibly dull and pruned and what makes them unviable is their lack of toolkit more than their numbers. To get specs like that ācompetitiveā youād have to make them do ridiculous dps to compensate for utility that got pruned from them and that would be really unhealthy for the game
fury warrior is an example of this, it has really low utility and only really becomes viable when it can just tunnel people doing unhealable damage and I think we can agree that that isnāt fun
Ofcourse. But please take a look, we Hunters are forced to play melee spec instead of the one we choosed to play ( me and many of my friends Hunters ) . Fully understand its impossible to adjust it perfectly, but 9.5% of all Warlocks was managed to achieve more than 2200 rating ā¦ And only 0.2% of MM Hunters, Enh Shamansā¦ This is not even close to any kind of Balance
Because Blizzard pruned CC down, especially all these mini CCs like Scatter and Gauge, because they removed all the anti tools an expansion before.
Now most of the time had, than as it was instant. I miss the passive that allowed Steady shot at that time to reduce the Cast time of AS of 20% per Stack.
Because MM was the best raid specc by far in these ages.
5.3% share means 77% above your 3% representation. ww has 2.8% share that is 22% above their representation (2.3%). Pretty much same for dk that is still better than ww but not as good as warrior.
Couldnāt care less for those classes but isnt it funny that the statistic doesnt fit with your opinion?
Yes, currently hunters in 3vs3 (the only balanced ladder where you get titles) are on the last place. Second from the last are DH, and their count is 2 times bigger than hunters.
And just a reminder hunter is most popular class in the world, while DH and Monks are most less popular, according to census.
There definitely must be a buff to at least one of the hunters specks.
WW is much better than warrior right now, anyone who disagrees is an actual idiot. WW monk does the same damage with more burst, double the utility, 5x the survivability and 10x the mobility
Call me bias idc, I main a warrior but have almost as many glads on WW and consider it my most played alt
edit: just as expected, world of wargraphs was last updated during last season. Go to xunamate, click 3v3 ladder, check arms warrior and ww monk and youāll see 10-15 ww monks per 1 arms warrior
Saying blizzard canāt balance all specs is a false excuse, they can do it but they donāt want to put any effort in in and donāt care about feedback (for example spec like demonology with a terrible design but still go live).
For no reason every xpac the same classes and specs are godmod when the other are trash.
The statistic comes to another conclusion and that without any bias. Also saw Blizo+Craneisskill versus joe on ww + minpojke today in 2s. The game was like the closest thing in history. Both healer oom and dds did same dmg but warrior has this big ms.
But why do you have a lot more xp on warrior when ww is much better and you play him so often?
Idk who you are but you have no brain cells whatsoever. You realise those āstatisticsā were from last season? And do you realise that far more players play warrior than monk? And you literally just admitted that it was a very close game between the best warrior in the entire world and someone playing their alt. Iām feeling second hand embarrassment over how dumb you are
Like I genuinely donāt care about what gets buffed and nerfed anymore because this expansion is a joke and I donāt intent to take it seriously but what i do care about is genuinely unintelligent people spouting garbage out of their unintelligent mouths
I know exactly who you are. The normal warrior player who thinks his class is bad when its not super broken and insult anyone who doesnt agree with your opinion you call a fact. Must be that only a special kind of meme persons play warrior because they are all the same.
He played vs a blizzcon champion on a very often played alt thats maybe even his main already. So if ww is soooo much better how is it possible that it got so close when the player are on a comparable skill level?
But werent you the one who said ww was already broken last season? I wont go deeper into this but even if its from last season it shows your bias.
This guy stat is who knows what and from where, everyone with 2 brain cells can check CURRENT stats on arenamate and see that WW is sitting at 8.5% and arms at 3.7% in 3s and in 2s the situations is even worse for warrior - ww at 5.2% arms at 1.4%.
I guess you believe every fake news someone writes on the net as well?
Isnāt it funny how you can talk so much BS based on some random stat on some random guy on the net instead of reading the stats yourself and seeing the truth for yourself, before making a complete clown of yourself one more timeā¦?
ww was already broken last season. But donāt just take my word for it, go ask your favourite multi r1/blizzcon competitor! Theyāll tell you the same
So the statistic is from last season which shows that warrior was a lot better than ww and far above his own representation. If ww was broken how did you call warrior back then?
My apologize, didnāt expect that such an easy question would overwhelm you. Maybe the reason why you play warrior?
Done here! It was confirmed again that only crying infants play warrior.
Edit
He linked the source Source: World of Wargraphs https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/de/pvp-stats/classes/2200-rating
The interesting part about it that it also shows the overall representation so you can see how strong your class really is or was.
WW, DK, DH and Assa were all broken tier last season.
everything else was somewhere underneath.
everyone knows this, you can ask any of your favourite r1 streamers/blizzcon competitors like I have already said. But maybe theyāre all wrong and youāre right
Actually Iām just not going to sit here arguing over a 2v2 match that you brought up even though it completely counters your entire point.
Not going to reply to anymore, I hope iāve enlightened you to the point where your IQ finally reaches double digits
WAS is the key isnāt it? Not to mention how accurate that is, watch some streams of top wars and they will all say that ww WAS and IS better than warrior.
Generally I do not fully accept presentation as the most important statistic to show the power of a class or at least not the only one as there are also other factors that shape the presentation of a class in a specific part of a game like wow, but still, letās look at current situation and not things of the past because they are irrelevant.
Based on this then WW should receive a huge fat nerf bat, cause itās a bit more than 2 times better than arms in 3s and more than 3 times better in 2s.
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