Your points are not really better either.
But keep telling yourself that. That WW has better utility as Arms…
If at all its equal. In Legion i would be on your side, but not in Bfa.
because u cant balance everything at the same time and all speccs. u should be able to hit 2.4k atleast but not rank1 with every class/specc. did u ever play competetiv game? the only game u can balance like that are games with a small amount of variaty like sc2 for example balancing 3 races is really “easy” but balancing 4781278412 classes/speccs not.
The question is, did you ever designed a game? I doubt.
Balance is hard, but there are certain steps that can be made, to facilitate a better balance, not perfect, but far far better than what we have now.
As a start, blizzard should have designated clear PvP specs for every class, for example - no tanks in arena, healers only have 1 healer spec and 1 dps spec for arena. Pure dps - only 1 dps spec for arena and 1 pve, remove the third or if they want - leave it also PvE only, 2 dps for PvE 1 for PvP for pure dps classes.
This way they would drastically decrease the amount of balancing they would need to do.
Then - exclude all PvE procs and effects from PvP - another decrease in balance complexity.
Make PvP gear best for PvP - another layer of complexity simplified as only one type of specific gear would be in need of balancing as the other type would not be used or would be under-powered enough to not need specific balance.
And then - execute, gather data through automated systems, play-testing, observing and even making surveys at the playerbase on different rating levels - iterate.
And so on and so on, there are so many things that can be done to improve balance, it just requires efforts and desire to do it.
The balance in a game like this will never be perfect, but there is no reason, aside from incompetence and/or unwillingness to invest the resource, to make a class bad or under-powered for seasons on and on and others to be obnoxiously overpowered or lords of pvp forever.
U like jito 2.0 i bet u have 1550 Also
Are u saying monk has same utility then arms are u freaking kidding me
Jito 2.0 troll
It’s just great how a topic about the MM spec turned into warriors vs monks fight on who is worse.
Great job guys. Sorry we forgot about your classes for a second
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Why monk monk is retarded op
Disarm, Banner, Fear, Sharpen, spellreflect, stormbolt, Duel.
To
Disarm, RoP, legsweep, incap, short root, Tigers lust.
It has less to be accurate but has better burst damage and mobility instead.
IMO you both are.
the topic was about the MM hunter. u both continue to compare 2 specs that are both pretty good atm and have no relation to the topic.
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Most of those you showed are PvP talents that warriors, first, can’t take all at once, and next if they take most of them they will cripple themselves in other areas.
For WW most of pvp talents are improvements on existing abilities.
Unlike sweep and incap, stormbolt is a talent, warriors don’t have a stun without spending a talent for it.
Do not even start comparing ww overall package with warrior.
WW is currently like an OP variant of a warrior with a better kit in almost all regards.
I don’t mind ww having a good and richer than warriors kit, but they should lose damage and most of all the healing reduction.
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You think Warrior is alone in that regard ?
That fits EVERY specc, that is also what i said there that Monk loses things for disarm.
Reverse Harm and Disarm ?
Alpha Tiger is as you say.
Tubo Fists is just a worse version what we had baseline since ever.
Feels nice to need to spend a talent point to not even regain something you had before, that made you viable.
I still remember Season 1 BFA. Seems like you dont and its important.
First less CD then Incap, 2nd its a Stun that is more worth than an Incap, 3rd unlike Incap it does not have a cost, yes Incap cost is not high, but it has one.
Also how bad Legsweep is. That it can miss people you still Auto attack…
You think the Talentpoint for WW is not a cost for RoP ?
Or how Reverse Harm does not funktion without Ascension ?
So can you ?
In mobility and Burst damage exactly.
That is a pretty huge lie. Your hate comes through through every post of yours about WW.
We have areas where Arms is better.
With this I in no way say warrior is in a good spot, well he is, just not compared to the top dogs, that Arena currently is down the drain is no secret and that it needs many changes for all speccs.
Dont think I am content with the current status quo. Its so god damn stupid to play Arena, well for my part currently to farm PvE for 2 Month before you can play what you “enjoy” because there is unfortunate no alternative for Arena PvP in any other game.
Of all the things you listed only 2 are not PvP talents for the warrior and 1 of those 2 is a talent. Only 1 is a native skill.
Absolutely not the same for the monk. So, again, as usual you are talking crap, why would I even expect you are capable of anything else, when you are so blinded defending WW.
And no, contrary to what you believe, I do not hate monks, I don’t like their state atm, just as I don’t like DH state or assa state or mage state - too op.
And I really don’t mind monk keeping his strong sides, as I don’t like class homogenization and think that all classes should have unique strengths, but not while keeping so much of all else.
I don’t like the part that we have to farm PvE every week to be at least competitive in PvP. I am getting sick of it with every passing week. It’s like a burden, a chore I have to do before I really start to do what I’d like to do, and that’s a game. Shouldn’t be like that. At least on that we agree.
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Can we go back to the main topic here which is the MM pvp issue.
While I think they’re not too far from viable now after the dmg buff, there are some quality of life improvements that could be done. Mainly Double Tap OFF the GCD. And then something better instead of stings. A silencing shot could easily take their place. Finally, lot’s of the skills from the talent tree should be baseline and not be up to choice. That’s what gimps the hunters most. I gotta pick from this row? NO; I want and need the entire row.
That’s not true. Every single specialization was playable 2k+ in WOD.
Actually WOD MM was the funniest Ramdom BGs spec i’ve ever played.
A real glass cannon.
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In PvP there is no difference. It does not matter if one needs to take 3 PvP Talents and 2 normal Talents or 1 PvP Talent and 4 normal ones.
Again its the same for every class. Do you think because the one needs to skill 4 and the other 5 its a difference ?
The whole class design is a problem currently. (since years now)
I dont like the state of anything, both Monk speccs, Mages, Destro, Rogue, DH, Ele, MM and so on.
I just want to convey that I dont want this for monks but for every class/specc. Sometimes its just not possible to have all speccs viable of the pure DPS classes.
Also I would start with removing, yeah the bad word, of things like Blade Dance, Turbo Fists, Shimmer and so on but its clear that there would be compensation needed.
But not such design we currently have. Internal Bleeding is another example of bad design.
Im fine with Prey on the Weak but not internal bleeding.
We agree on more than just that, but that too. Since 2 Month i do only PvE to then somewhere in the future to play Arena…
Its ridiculous.
This is something for Alpha to be honest. If we are realistic no matter what we do its futile…
Just look at Venrukis thread about gearing from Legion…
Still up there and now prominent more than ever and no changes…
The only good thing about this Patch is the pace of the game but im so against the source of the damage.
Because there were more warriors than ww in the blizzcon finals? I bet you are just another legion hero. Gladiator when warrior was broken and the game became super easy to play, but you get nothing done when warrior is just average. Cry baby cry, just like the normal warrior player! 
As usual, whenever the community wants something blizzard either ignore it, or achieve it in the worst possible and not-wanted way. That’s what happened with the game pace, ppl wanted faster games.
No-one wanted 1 shot games and no-one wanted this PvE random passive proc clown fiesta, as usual blizzard…delivered…
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