Not sure if it,s only me but does BFA seem to severely punish people with alts and with the new content (8.3) and corrupted system even if you do M+ and or world quests and end up with Corrupted Items you are then forced to either play with the Corruption effects or go unlock the cloak and then spend further time to grind Coalescenet Essences for Vessels to either get Mementos to cleanse said item so it,s finally useable or accept the corruption effects 100%.
Seems a very poor system for people like myself who play multiple characters, Maybe there could be an account wide âCorruptionâ thing which could reduce corruption across all your characters ?? But ofc Blizzard would not implement this as this would give you a shortcut to âcleansingâ all of your characters through one main.
Example I done a M+6 last week on my DK and this week I get a Ring with Twilight Devestation now with no cloak and 75 corruption the character is basically useless unless I go grind the cloak again!! and then either grind mementos, to cleanse it or vessels so i can use the corrution ability.
I can see that this will kill a LOT of alts.
PS I have already unlocked the cloak on 6 characters⌠Please give me a âTalk to Magniâ and Skip everything and give me the cloak option xD
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nope not just you, ever since the beginning of BFA xD
you can skip the dungeon quests now if im right
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Yes you can skip the Halls of Origination Scenario and the Magushan Palace one but you still have to do the âMini-Visionsâ and the Black Prince in Blackwing Descent oh and the 2 Assaults in Uldum and Vale.
The thing that surprises me is that people who play alts generally spend more time than someone who plays one character so why basically try to kill off all alts with this corrupted bs and neck grind(Altho the neck grind isnt too bad as AK eventually will make all my alts catch up to my lock at 72 but most my alts are about 65ish)
Do they want people who play multiple characters or not because i feel the execs at Blizz go âHow can we kill alts??â
All they will do is eventually people will stop playing alts and then eventually once their âmainâ is caught up with current content they will just unsub until next patch like a lot of people do so this makes no sense to meâŚ
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At this point not only am I asking for essences to be boa, also the cloak.
thinks about doing vision as shadow priest
screams
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Iâm not gonna do 8.3 on alts, just gonna gear them ready for shadowlands (just in case I do buy it, not decided yet 
)
Tbh Iâm not even playing it on my main either, itâs finally defeated me! I liked BfA, defended it but now 
I just canât and Iâm sad.
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Not only is punishing to alts but also to different specs.
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Also when will they stop lying to customers??
We,re removing Artifact Power grind (So we end up with a Azerite Power grind)
We,re removing Daily Quests (So we end up with World Quests which happen to reset Daily)
We,re not time gating items (But we will stick them behind Reputation which is restricted to the amount you can get daily)
Blizzard have lied to customers constantly for the past 2 expansions, If you are removing something then remove dont just rebrand it as something else to try and fool your customers and ensure that their is some form of an endless grind for people to do.
If you want to implement endless grind systems then do not punish people who have alts and make all rep and endless grind systems account wide (After all rep is gated anyway so you can only get to exalted as fast as Blizzard want you to anyway) so all rank 3 essences can be bought by all alts of a selected main, Or make them Account Bound so you can send them from a main to an alt who does not have the rep, (After all we have already put the work into unlocking them on a character so why do we need to do it all again??)
WoW is gradually becoming more and more of a timesink as far the grind systems go and expecting people who play alts to spend even more time then its a joke.
Dont even get me started on the RNG that currently exists, We have trinkets with "Has a chance effects ", now we get items with âHave a chance effects too??â wtfâŚ
Soon world quests will âHave a chance to offer double rewardsâ, âBosses have a chance to drop double lootâ or âHas a chance to do random effects to random players on a random timer at random health breakpointsâ XD
Please lets go back to basics (If i want X item i just grinded the dungeon until it dropped) and make professions great again they are currently trash when is the last time you saw someone using something they actually crafted other than flasks or food.
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I love alting too much to stop. 
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What content are yoy hoping to do with alts? The cloak + rank 5 was easy, took a couple of hours max.
You arent forced to do anything. Corrupted items doesnt drop that often. I rly dont see the new system as a problem unless you wanna be competetive on your alts.
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This is a topic I never understood: how on earth do you people think this was any different during other expansions?! You always needed to play a character to get gear on them.
And wether you farm HC/M dungeons, do raids, or LFR runs, or do a weekly SW/Org vision for cloak: in order to get gear, you will always need to do something in order to get gear.
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well, its not easy for tanks and heals. dps, yeah sure but the other two roles? yeah no chance.
i dont want to be ultra competitive with my alts but i also dont want to be held back by corruption or cloak ranks.
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Tbh I think WoW is struggling to find the balance.
The game needs to be rewarding enough to push the incentive of having a main character and a faster progression for those that do that.
But also have the possibility to gear a alt half decently well at a acceptable speed for alts.
WoW doesnât seem to have found this balance, but Iâd argue that doing the cloak quest line for every character isnât really that bad.
Itâs been pretty normal that every char has to do the quest lines just like every class has to level separately.
But Iâd say 8.3 is fine as itâs so front loaded in progression you donât need to do a lot after the initial quest line.
8.2 with the essence system is the hold back. Itâs causing a lot of people to fall massively behind and gates off playing other characters as you canât obtain any decent power without them.
8.2 being a gate to alts or returning players I get.
This I donât though as much. I feel itâs been in every expansion that you have to redo everything. As your effectively resetting your progression.
Itâs a mmorpg itâs built on the concept of maining a character. 8.3 is pretty alt friendly. And the fact is to have alts you have to give time. Thatâs just the way MMORPGs kinda work.
WoW has always required you to redo all quest lines and everything with every char you have. Nothing progression wise has been universal.
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Whats not easy on tanks and heals? Visions? You can always use a DPS spec for that. And if you lack the gear for that, you can do the visions in a group.
yeah i was talking about visions, sorry. and what groups? i dont have any friends or anything like that and in custom groups people usually decline me or already have a healer.
Bfa as a whole is very alt unfriendly, dont get me wrong. But i dont think its due to the corruption system. The essences are imo what ruins it for alts.
The cloak was easy to get, and all my corrupted items i use so far i gor randomly through wqs anyway. That has been the easiest part for any alts so far.
I would like BFA to be more alt friendly, but the new system isnt (yet) the problem for me. Ofcourse that is just untill you have to be exalted with Uldum assault or whatever they are called, to get your cloak above rank x.
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So you play solo and do not group up with others?.. then why do you need a tank or healer as an alt in the first place?
The difference between this and other expansions lets see :
Other expansions :
You made alt you levelled you geared in Dungeons/Raids basically everything you done farmed gear with no downside, Rep items used to reward gear which you could get comparable gear from dungeons so you was not forced to rep grind a second time to acquire something which was gated behind it, It was clearly optional.
Legion and BFA
You now have to do all of the above PLUS the following
Grind Azerite Power for neck levels.
Grind Cloaks + Mementos, and Vessels
Re-grind Rep for rank 3 essences
So as you can see there is TONNES more to do once you level other than gearing in comparison to other expansions.
Admitted getting the cloak isnt that bad but then its what comes after getting the cloak which is a joke. (Another system which requires 10K essences and a chance of failure to lose your 10k, Which is basically a limited resource as its not really farmable so to speak)
So we have a Azerite Neck which requires Azerite Power to âworkâ
and now we have a Legendary Cloak which requires Corrupting Cores to âworkâ
Anyone see anything wrong with this picture ? Whats next, I feel we are slowly being given the gear but with the caveat that the gear requires some form of currency (Artifact Power, Azerite Power, Corrupting Cores) for it to be âuseableâ.
WoW is slowly adopting more and more âKoreanâ style based grinds (I can remember from playing Perfect World, Aion and Tera) that the âchanceâ of somehting is turning WoW into a playable slot machine when it comes to your characters.
A lot of people I have spoken to have said âThey have NEVER simmed their characters so much in 1 expansionâ, This surely states something about the current state of the game when people are spending as much time simming as playingâŚ
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yeah, im not saying that the cloak is hard to get on a tank or healer, just the whole stuff that has to happen afterwards in order to rank it up is what im annoyed about.
dps are so much more independent than healers and tanks. really wished blizzard would tune it so its possible for every spec to solo it and not rely on other people.
but yeah, essences on alts really suck.
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what an utterly stupid thing to say. ever heard of pugs? where have i said i dont do group content?
edit: and just fyi. i am a healer main. always have been. its not an alt. i currently play dps as âmainâ because i am unable to increase my rank on the healer main.
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Getting current gear, from reputation and dungeons?!
When was that?!
Never, seeing as badgegear pieces always were 1 raid tier behind.
Oh, and you want to run HC hours on end, but not spending that same time on a simple thing as a questline and a weekly vision run?.. that still makes 0 sense.