So you do pugs?
Then why not do those in visions?
do you even bother to read my comments at this point?
i ve been trying to pug this sht all week but to no avail. im just fed up with it at this point.
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They were 1 tier behind but the power differences were not so great, and yes I would rather run HC for hours on end for example I got all the heirlooms in MoP for my characters but if that had been time gated or rep gated or some other form of currency gate I most likely would not have.
Ok lets look at the āWeekly Vision runā I MUST do dailies on the character to gather Essences fot he weekly Vision.
Who wants to do trivial content such as dailies on multiple characters??
Who wants to spend hours travelling the world doing trivial content like world quests to level a neck?
Doing HC,s and or Mythic + on multiple characters ( I can do one M+ per week on 1 character and still gather a 440 ilvl (Before 8.3).
The essences are too useful in M+ and some raid content to be ignored but who wants to do a rep grind on multiple characters?
I am saying that there is now a ārequiredā amount of grind to have a useable alt.
My DK has 90 Corruption now with no cloak, How long before my character becomes āuseableā again, Ofc I am FORCED to do the cloak and visions and stuff if I want to be able to obtain item level upgrades and not deal with all the corrupted effects (By cleansing or horrfific visions)
Also people are wary of pugging Horrific Visions due to the fear of losing their 10k Essences (IEā¦ A couple of my friends failed their visions due to the tank pulling like an idiot and wiping the group)
Its not so much the system I have an issue with it,s the fact that it,s not optional, It,s almost a mandatory grind, āHeres a 25 ilvl upgrade but it,s corruptedā. Now maybe abetter system would be āHeres a 25 ilvl upgrade itemā and you can go to Mother or Magni and they can add a Corruption effect for a currency cost (Maybe the Coalescent Essences) so this is an optional grind and then you can work for the cloak to ācleanseā corruption.
So item level upgrades are still viable but if you want to min-max then you can go add a corruption manually and then get your cloak to a rank to stabilise the corruption but this would be a player choice instead of the current implementation of it.,
Are you holy or disc main? My alt is a disc priest, and for some reason I do visions in a group on my druid but solo on my priest (most other guildies havenāt got cloaks on alts). I have to be a bit slow and cautious on my priest, but Iāve managed to keep up to date with the cloak upgrades. Might not in future, more demanding weeks, but for now it is not too bad as disc. I absolutely suck as shadow so Iād actually do worse trying to do it as DPS - might be the same for you? 
Iām very much in favour of ādonāt give up and donāt be forced to go DPSā if possible!
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Iām impressed youāre still attempting to maintain multiple toons in 8.3! 
BFA has been the most alt-unfriendly expansion to date.
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Thanks!
Its really hard to maintain more than 2 or 3 at a time with these systems in place.
I am not sure why Blizzard are punishing alts so much with them, The last time I really felt I was rewarded for playing many characters was in MoP when the heirlooms were dropping from Grommash.
Vanilla, TBC, Wotlk, The content you did on alts was the same as on your main. You didnāt have a specific item you had to work towards/around and upgrade to stay on curve. Also there were gear vendors with currency to catchup for TBC and Wotlk
Amen to that, sanity is like a timer in the visions, the visions like most other content seems like its made for DPS.
I could imagine visions being a real pain for a healer priest main.
But thats a whole other discussion 
Your issue is that you dont want to play alts. You want to play multiple mains. I suggest you to go into past and learn what playing alt actualy means becouse it definitly not mean doing high end content on multiple characters.
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And after realizing he wants to play a couple of mains, his arguments are valid, arenāt they?
Like this for example
My guild asked me to main monk healer in EP so I worked my A** off on that character getting as much essences as I could and slowly getting neck levels (As i hate farming for AP)
Now they ask me to go Warlock who has barely 2 essences 1 of which is rank 1 and neck is 67 and they require me to be rank 75 on neck to be able to join a raid, Now in the old expansions I had no trouble switching to and from characters who were in a raid as all could be equally geared but this is no longer possible.
It was quite often I had to switch between tanks and healers because the raid team were short a tank or a heal for a raid.
And if i want to have a Healer, Tank and DPS as 3 mains why cant I after all I am paying the same as everyone else so why can,t I play it the way I wanted why have systems in place that prevent me from doing so ?
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im currently playing mw and i really dont like the monk dps spec otherwise i d have given it a try. :S but my priest is holy. (never been a fan of shadow, its the spec i deal the least dmg if i try 
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just wished blizzard wouldnt always cater to dps or make it so every spec is relevant.
i dont give up on heal yet but its been really a drag lately.
Oh I agree absolutely! I hate that itās just expected that you also have a DPS spec - since Azerite gear doesnāt change per spec, itās a nightmare to try and gear two specs. I switch between balance and resto on my druid, but every new healer Iāve levelled does not exit heal spec. I was told repeatedly (by non-healer mains) that I couldnāt level like that. I donāt care if itās slower, I will play the spec Iāve chosen! Just sucks that a lot of 8.3 systems (visions, corruption etc) all seem to be designed around DPS only 
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Unlocking the cloak was one thing, did not mind it too much (took like an hour after the first char).
But 8.3 did completely killed the mood to play multiple alts, which I always liked. So I went down from Ā± 9 I play to 2 this patch.
No, it is not much work to keep alts up to date - it is just not enjoyable any longer. So now I do all the dailies on 1 char and only the minor vision on the alt. Would prob spend more time playing if it wasnāt all so locked/gated/forced, so idk, not really a win either way.
I leveled in resto shaman, resto druid and holy paladin specs My chars do not have dps-specs.
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I think they are firing everything at us at once so we can test systems out for the next expac.
TBH I donāt really care about the introduction quests, you can sit a weekend and move a whole army of alts through that and if you get corrupted gear before that, hey, even more reason to do it on a char
What gets me personally is the essence grind
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Becouse everytime you make eayers to play multiple mains you make it boring for players what want to play just one character. Becouse you have to use accwide progress and agressive catch up with completly ruins that progression.
They are not becouse this game was never supostu be played like this. And sure will not be desingned around it. Since very begging you are supostu pick 1 character and stick with him. If you force yourself to swap char in mid expansion thats your problem. Majority of players do not play like this.
There is a very low amount of players with 1 char that I know. To be honest, I know none 
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