Now this is not some Alliance biased baseless topic.
But seriously the way we look at the story at the moment.
-the Alliance uniting strongly, growing stronger.
-the Horde is fighting among themselves and slowly turning against each other growing weaker.
For some reason whenever we've a faction conflict in wow, the Horde needs to turn upon itself, have a soul search and what else bloody not kind of not good a thing to do while at war with a Juggernaut of military force!
Which honestly makes little sense if you look at the structure of the Horde.
-If you dislike the leadership you can claim it through ritual combat.
so, why is the Horde never actually using this to simply deal with the -unapproved leadership-
the Warchief is the ruler of the Horde with ultimate authority.
You don't like the way the person run things?
Mak'gora it is and into the Ring.
Garrosh did it with Thrall.
Cairne did with Garrosh.
So, why in the world does the Horde need a bloody soul search?
Next we've the whole with the Horde always going crazy.
Leaders for some reason just goes on a murder spree and what not.
or does some random stuff to say: this person bad for the Horde!
It happened with Garrosh who went from: Stand Strong with the Horde, to Only orcs are worthy.
It is happening with Sylvanas that burned a country down and is raising the dead left and right discarding them as quickly as they use them.
BFA Does not feel like a story that was meant for the Horde to feel any faction pride, it simply feels like an ego stroke to the Alliance.
While the Horde has to feel ashamed of their very existence now.
8.1 shows some promise but seriously it can't be that hard to write a faction war without having the Horde turn on itself.
I want to see the factions go at each other, and not the Horde fighting itself and the Alliance.
Why does the Horde always get these highly unnecessary out of nowhere inner conflict slapped atop of it?
Why can't we have the Alliance go upon a soul search for once?
or even better have them go on the offensive against the Horde, since now would had been their best chance to enforce an Alliance peace upon the Horde.
(Start of BFA)
we had the entire set up from Before the Storm making it clear that Anduin had made a decision to remove Sylvanas when he was able.
But instead we get the -the Horde is at it again cos'.
a good war did put up a pretty good reasoning behind the attack of the Night elf lands.
But do you know what would had been even better?
the Alliance sending their armies to the UC to remove Sylvanas Since by Anduin's own words from MoP.
-the best thing is to replace the leadership to one we can work with.
It would had provided a far more interesting narrative as a Horde character, and not in any way had ruined anything for the Alliance.
Horde Players would actually feel like fighting the enemy rather than going: I wonder when SoO v2 is happening.
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So basically you just want the Alliance to start the war rather than the Horde? - The only person what wanted this faction war was Sylvanas. Nobody else wanted it unless they were convinced that it was needed by sh*tty reasons. How would you exactly get Anduin to start a war?
And you also want the Alliance to have this soul searching sh*te instead of the Horde? - Unlike the Horde the Alliance members are free to do whatever they like such as dropping out if they really wanted to. They are not forced to be in it and they have the freedom of choice. The Alliance isn't a hivemind.
Well anyway it isn't even the Horde anymore, it is just a Forsaken puppet state which is hunting down Saurfang and Baine being spineless. Everyone else is just a mindless loyalist chanting death to the living without question. Perhaps Blizzard's plan is just to make your faction united under just being evil which is such ashame. But people seem to like it that way so w/e.
Just because bad stuff is happening with the Forsaken Puppet State doesn't mean it should just go to the Alliance instead. Perhaps, you know, just have better writing in general? Instead of just doing eye for a eye, if we have to search for a soul then so do you and blablabla.
Lastly I don't know how this is a expansion for my ego and pride as part of the Alliance. All I see is bad story, plot holes, character inconsistencies everywhere I look. And the race I am currently playing has suffered the most out of everyone for it, with its people been genocided, its main army slaughter, its territory in ruins and characters been made null by the shoddy plot.
Naaa you are right, my ego is massive after all of this, and it'll be much bigger once this is all over and you are forgiven.. again.. *sigh.
And you also want the Alliance to have this soul searching sh*te instead of the Horde? - Unlike the Horde the Alliance members are free to do whatever they like such as dropping out if they really wanted to. They are not forced to be in it and they have the freedom of choice. The Alliance isn't a hivemind.
Well anyway it isn't even the Horde anymore, it is just a Forsaken puppet state which is hunting down Saurfang and Baine being spineless. Everyone else is just a mindless loyalist chanting death to the living without question. Perhaps Blizzard's plan is just to make your faction united under just being evil which is such ashame. But people seem to like it that way so w/e.
Just because bad stuff is happening with the Forsaken Puppet State doesn't mean it should just go to the Alliance instead. Perhaps, you know, just have better writing in general? Instead of just doing eye for a eye, if we have to search for a soul then so do you and blablabla.
Lastly I don't know how this is a expansion for my ego and pride as part of the Alliance. All I see is bad story, plot holes, character inconsistencies everywhere I look. And the race I am currently playing has suffered the most out of everyone for it, with its people been genocided, its main army slaughter, its territory in ruins and characters been made null by the shoddy plot.
Naaa you are right, my ego is massive after all of this, and it'll be much bigger once this is all over and you are forgiven.. again.. *sigh.
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Did Orgrimm challenge Doomhammer to Mak'Gora or did he assasinate him?
I think the majority of players who cares about the lore are unhappy with the current story. I still don't know why there wasn't the Vindicaar to help the refugees in Teldrassil. I still don't know, why the alliance doesn't foresaw the pleague attack, because that was obviously. Night Warrior is also a joke. We don't need more bad storytelling & plot holes. Don't think it would be great, if we would have 2 incompetent faction leaders.
24/10/2018 06:07Posted by XataryI think the majority of players who cares about the lore are unhappy with the current story.
I think the majority of players who cares peace in WARcraft...
24/10/2018 06:07Posted by Xatary
I still don't know why there wasn't the Vindicaar to help help refugees in Teldrassil.
Thats huge hole, they should make some clarification in game about that.
24/10/2018 06:07Posted by Xatary
I still don't know, why the alliance doesn't foresaw the pleague attack, because that was obviously.
Becouse they king is 18y old boy who never lead in war.
24/10/2018 06:07Posted by Xatary
We don't need more bad storytelling & plot holes.
Agree
24/10/2018 00:39Posted by SarikuYou don't like the way the person run things?
Mak'gora it is and into the Ring.
Who would be so stupid as to duel Sylvanas Windrunner to a honorable fight? They would have to be Durotan-level of naivety, who challenged Gul'dan, infamous for his tricks and deceits, to a Mak'gora in the movie canon.
Durotan sacriface himself to show others that Gul'dan is not honorable and will bring orcs to extinsion.
Saurfang sacriface himself to show others that he is tired and wont do !@#$ about anything. - much better.
24/10/2018 06:13Posted by Arctur
Sylvanas' reasons for attacking the Night Elves boil down to "They are dangerous because they might attack US in the future", to which I reply, what makes her different from Daelin Proudmoore? Both of them wanted to destroy their enemies sistematically out of paranoia derived from old hatreds.
She convince Saurfang, and after all she brings u salvation and immortality!
Accept our GIFTS!
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I don' think there's a single person in fandom who's happy with the story. Yet Blizzard remains stubborn: the newest spoilers from the PTR even make it clear that the Zandalari atacked Kul'Tiras before the Battle of Dazar'alor, and the Horde freed Belmont, that Tyrande stupidly didn't kill. So the Horde is still villainous and victorious, and Alliance is still heroic and incompetent. Which is not what the players want for their faction at all.
Hey, Blizzard, if a couple people don't like the story, you're allowed to think they don't know what's good, but if literally every player hates the story, it's time to admit you're doing something wrong.
Hey, Blizzard, if a couple people don't like the story, you're allowed to think they don't know what's good, but if literally every player hates the story, it's time to admit you're doing something wrong.
BFA = Battle for the Alliance?
I will just suggest to read this thread:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769748025
24/10/2018 07:05Posted by Veristerisevery player hates the story
Yeah... no. Majority of players don't care. Try to make a topic in general, something "Story of BFA is terrible. Do we all agree?", and many people will say that story is okay.
24/10/2018 07:11Posted by ПризраклесаI will just suggest to read this thread:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769748025
Night Elves are losing because they doubted the wisdom of High King Anduin and abandoned Alliance.
Night Elves are losing because they doubted the wisdom of High King Anduin and abandoned Alliance.
Human potential can't save them on Kalimdor!
24/10/2018 02:32Posted by ZakkaruDid Orgrimm challenge Doomhammer to Mak'Gora or did he assasinate him?
Well, they did call him the Backstabber so I assume that the power shift was not the result of an honourable duel.
For me, as a horde player, it is ok to be on a losing side lore wise... As long as writing is good. But hell I am tired of beeing evil because of "reasons". If I have to, Blizzard needs to give me a reason that matters... And stop those "morally gray" nonsence. What we are seeing is not gray. It is like "Vantablack" black. And it is Ok. But give me a reason that matters...
I do not want to see a horde rebelion again...
...Or beeing rescued by noble alliance forces from an evil Warcheef (vol.2 in BfA? [yea, I know what blizzard said])...
...who allows us to exist afterwards (again?)...
If Sylvanas has to burn something down, give her a real reason. Not "I-had-only-2-hours-of-sleep,-a-seagull-dropped-a-Bomb-on-me-and-those-deadly-wounded-elf-girl-said-not-so-nice-things-to-me" kind of reason.
And last: Give me a real Faction. The Horde, as is, is not a Faction. It is a bunch of Idiots, doing stupid things, like starting wars that they can not win.
revolutionaries, starting revolutions in order to kill the Idiots to become an Idiot 1-2 expansions later
And Follower, following Idiots at first, to follow the revolutionaries afterwords to follow them after they become Idiots 1-2 expansions later...
Hell, give me a faction, I CAN BE PROUD OF. Not a bunch of Individualists trying to unite for half a dozen of expansions but failing because:
I do not want to see a horde rebelion again...
...Or beeing rescued by noble alliance forces from an evil Warcheef (vol.2 in BfA? [yea, I know what blizzard said])...
...who allows us to exist afterwards (again?)...
If Sylvanas has to burn something down, give her a real reason. Not "I-had-only-2-hours-of-sleep,-a-seagull-dropped-a-Bomb-on-me-and-those-deadly-wounded-elf-girl-said-not-so-nice-things-to-me" kind of reason.
And last: Give me a real Faction. The Horde, as is, is not a Faction. It is a bunch of Idiots, doing stupid things, like starting wars that they can not win.
revolutionaries, starting revolutions in order to kill the Idiots to become an Idiot 1-2 expansions later
And Follower, following Idiots at first, to follow the revolutionaries afterwords to follow them after they become Idiots 1-2 expansions later...
Hell, give me a faction, I CAN BE PROUD OF. Not a bunch of Individualists trying to unite for half a dozen of expansions but failing because:
- the First retires and cares a heck about the horde... he has better things to do
the Second became an Idiot for no reason and was killed
the Third was killed
the Fourth became an Idiot and will be killed in near future...
Who is next? No Baine, a real leader... Anyone else? Anyone?
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24/10/2018 07:11Posted by ПризраклесаBFA = Battle for the Alliance?
I will just suggest to read this thread:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769748025
Soooo.... Night-Warriored Tyrande didn't achieve absolutely anything.
Being too weak to fight Nathanos aside, she claimed that the burning of Teldrassil happened because she let Saurfang live and seconds after she lets Belmont and all the others live cause "Continuity exists to enhance a story not to tie the hands of the writer" or something equally dumb apparently.
And obviously the Horde escapes unscathed once again. That's some heavy Alliance bias there!
Can we somehow have the Night Warrior ritual NOT happen? It weakened Tyrande even further instead of improving her... She was actually capable to killing Horde before, after the ritual she's just laughable.
Well, I guess that the fate of being a weak, boring, middle-aged housewife that can't do anything by herself is just hers to suffer for all eternity.
24/10/2018 09:36Posted by HalasibelNight-Warriored Tyrande didn't achieve absolutely anything
She turned Horde-controled Dark Shore into warfront.
@Halasibel
I see, horde has changing idiots in charge. Alliance has long-lasting problems with their leadership...
Horde Idiot starts a war. Alliance conqueres Ogrimmar. The leadership says: Let them alive! FOR REASONS!
Next Horde Idiot starts a war. Alliance defeats the Horde. The same leadership says: Let them alive! FOR REASONS!
I see, horde has changing idiots in charge. Alliance has long-lasting problems with their leadership...
Horde Idiot starts a war. Alliance conqueres Ogrimmar. The leadership says: Let them alive! FOR REASONS!
Next Horde Idiot starts a war. Alliance defeats the Horde. The same leadership says: Let them alive! FOR REASONS!
24/10/2018 00:39Posted by Sarikuthe Alliance uniting strongly, growing stronger.
-the Horde is fighting among themselves and slowly turning against each other growing weaker.
This happened already. It was called Mists of Pandaria.
That said, I don’t know how they’ll manage this story.
There was one Chinese leak, that predicted that we would raid another capitol, that Gelbin would be a raid boss, that Jaina would be one too, and that come next patch, Sylvanas would make a 180• turn and unite the Horde again and, I quote, “shine”.
Don’t know if that’ll happen or if the predictions so far were accurate due to simple luck.
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24/10/2018 10:00Posted by Zaraoand that come next patch, Sylvanas would make a 180• turn
Well, at least they brought me to the point where I couldn't care even if I tried, before that happened.
24/10/2018 10:00Posted by ZaraoSylvanas would make a 180• turn and unite the Horde again and, I quote, “shine”.
Too late for many ex-Horde players. Either she leave the Horde, or we stay Alliance.
24/10/2018 09:55Posted by JinziggorShe turned Horde-controled Dark Shore into warfront.
The Horde was already losing Darkshore before the Warfront, the same with Ashenvale.
24/10/2018 07:05Posted by Veristerisspoilers from the PTR even make it clear that the Zandalari atacked Kul'Tiras before the Battle of Dazar'alor,
Can you provide source? Because that is just odd considering current events.
24/10/2018 11:04Posted by Frozengrip24/10/2018 09:55Posted by JinziggorShe turned Horde-controled Dark Shore into warfront.
The Horde was already losing Darkshore before the Warfront, the same with Ashenvale.
So we was losing it, but now it's contested territory. Thanks, Tyrande.