Edit* This is directed towards the PVP server, I have been informed that PVE and HC are pretty normal pricing. Flasks on PVP are at 300g and they will probably drop a bit in a month then go up even more as AQ then Naxx patches come out.
So in SOD they made it so lotuses can drop like arcane crystals from various herb nodes. This could be a fix, but it would not drive down prices hard enough. Gold selling scalpers would still control market. Blue Sapphires are still absurdly expensive and Arcane Crystals are valued twice of what they where worth at this same time back in 2019.
This is the Fix.
There is a vendor somewhere - like Chronoboon.
The vendor flasks function like this.
100g each
Unique-Category, only 1 on your toon at a time.
6 day Cooldown after use. This ensures you can use 1 per week for raiding, if this is main raid or another day raid. So in AQ you could use it for AQ+BWL and in MC if you want it you can buy a flask.
How does this fix Lotus prices while still making Lotuses relevant?
It secures the value of Black Lotus to be around 55-60g. If they want to sell Lotuses and Flasks they need to be prices under 100g and they will still sell. This stops flask prices from going over 100g.
I have always been a very no-changes person. I enjoyed 2019 up until 20% of the server is bots. This is not pure vanilla. Please add something like this to lock lotus prices down to 50g. Thanks.
Arcane crystals can only drop from rich thorium nothing else at all (other than the gem bag ony drops). So the change was not to be like arcane crystals but like how it was for fel lotus (or what ever its name was) in tbc.
Do you have the data to back up that the prices are doubled to what they were the day of BWLs release on those on the PvE server im fairly sure we are ether slightly below the price (at least for the crystal) or at roughly the same price.
That was both of the 2 things that im seeing as would be needed to be fixed for this post to be more accurate
PvE server prices are low because of transfers from HC realm with a lot of layer because many levelling people, and low demand on high-level resources. 90% of lotuses,arcane crystals, blue sapphires and other high-lvl resources from HC servers where they can be farmed with almost 0 competition, go to PvE server and so bring prices down. PvP has no trnasfer from HC and layers are very limited, so prices for open world resoucres are high. High amount of players per 1 layer is the main problem of PvP server economu and blizz should make more layers and reduce layer pop cap to what it was in 2019
No, it won’t because at some moment price of other mats for flasks will be higher then 100g with current inflation and lotus will worth 0g. You are welcome to check prices on classic era firemaw, it’s what we will have on fresh in 6-8 months. If add vendor then only for lotuses but not for flasks. Or, if you make them BoP, then make it not 100g but 100g+other mats
I know that but im not playing on the PvP server, so I have not been keeping up with the prices there at all so thats why I clearly mentioned that on the PvE server the prices are ether lower or at around the level they were in 2019
And I said that I know the reason behind it, but I personally dont know the prices on the PvP server.
OP was not precise about what server he was talking about, seeing as the PvE server dosnt have a problem with insane prices on things his example of crystals being dubble the price from 2019 is factually wrong on 50% of servers no matter what underlying reasons behind it. It could also be that the around third of players who play on the PvE server dont buy as much gold as the players on the PvP server do that is the reason behind it seeing as all of the really expensive things come from high level zones and most people dont make it to those levels on HC.
Just like you dont see as many people selling boosts outside of the services channel as you do on the pvp server on the pve server some things that people complain about clearly is not a problem for both realms but just 1 of them so making generalized statements about how it is like OP did is wrong, I was like I said in my first post here just trying to make his post more factual…
Gold farmers do. Usual players mostly dont. So its why supply>demand on hc
1 player can farm entire spot of some expencive resource on HC. On other servers you have insane competition. So in fact 1 farmer on hc do supply same as = 5-10 farmers on other servers
Bots are easy to disrupt the scripting off on HC to a level where they die early, and that there is a extra supply of resources from HC still means 0 when it comes to what I said… Reread what I said slowly
Not all gold farmers are bots. Many just RMT from poor countries. And skill of RMT player is higher then avg player just because he play game more then avg player
And everything you are saying right now still have 0 to do whit what I said earlier, im more than happy to just sit and do drama on the forums all day tho so please continue, but you are dragging this further and further off topic.
The facts are once again, the prices on the PvE server is not as bad as on the PvP server, and OP did nowhere state what server he plays on so his statments are generalized so I corrected the generalization of his statement nothing more nothing less.
even the SoD solution would help in the immediate future.
black lotus is a unique resource, so it just needs this type of adjustment so the market is not controlled as it is.
flask is the most powerful raid consumable, and it’s just great to have (especially if you are doing raid for the first time, or you die and lose wbuffs).
Sure, you don’t NEED it, but it’s more fun playing with it.
A fix to Black lotus is neccesary. pls fix it before Naxx where flasks are no longer an option and we have 800g to pay for one. at this point many will quit and the players left are going to RMT, thus creating a server where 100% of the players RMT…
It’s going to get to the point that buying gold or selling boosts for hours on a mage alt is a requirement for raiding and I enjoy playing to much to see that becoming a thing. Blizzard implement fun quest lines to unlock it even.
I can’t speak for HC or PVE, even though I would assume PVE is bad as can be. I play PVP and the flasks sit at 300+ now. I presume they will go down a smidge in a month when more casual guilds stop needing them. At the end of the day the price is locked to whatever gold sellers want.
On the PvE server the most expensive flask right now as im typing this is titans and it sits at 129g
No casual guild ever reacquires flasks as even to get to 130 odd G you need to play a lot (all the prices of everything is lower on the PvE server than they are on the PvP server so you wont get as much from selling things ether)
That is true, but im not sure that anything can be done to lower the prices other than actually banning gold buyers.
That’s why I feel blizzard should implement a soft lock on it by giving a less versatile alternative. I think that if something like my OP was implemented the AH would be full 1000s of 50-60g lotuses on pvp. On PVE you can just camp toons on lotus spawns but on PVP they actually are bugged/hacked underneath the map. People have told me they have seen them at rich thorium in silithus but I havn’t checked first hand. I dropped all my gathering proffs because I couldn’t make gold alone on them really. HRing orbs in Strath is basically the only surefire way to make gold without selling boosts now.
Why are you defending high lotus prices/steering the debate into semantics? Do you also the kind of person who clap hands when your boss cut down on work benefits?
Im autistic and find overt over generalizations extremely annoying, and seeing as you replied to the end of that conversation I think you can see exactly what I had written before then, saying the prices are not that high on the PvE server at all so for me and anyone else who dont play on the PvP server the complaints look basicly made up. I also told the person who I responded to that im well aware of the reasons why the prices are lower on the pve server but that had nothing to do with this topic. Nether does what you said.
I told op they should be more exact with what they say only to help them. Then it was derailed by someone wanting to debate why the prices were lower on the PvE server.
Aaah yes further derailment and also trying to make me look like a bad guy fun. No I dont. But im pedantic and semantics are still important.