Yes, another Black Lotus post until Blizzard fixes this mess. Black Lotus was 330g on Spineshatter today, Flask of Supreme Power going for 400-450g. This is absurd and the only people that are comfortable buying at this price are RMT gold buyers. People saying “it’s just supply and demand bro, there is no issue” are absolutely unreasonable too, clearly there has to be some kind of market manipulation going on with goblins hoarding Black Lotus and keeping supply artificially low to profit. Moreover, bots seem to mass report players at Black Lotus spawns, see US forum, strengthening their grip of the market. Not using a flask isn’t a solution either, if you’re playing a caster DPS or tank and want to get into good groups in the future. Blizzard has to fix this. These are the two solutions that were brought up in discussions so far:
-Pretty non-invasive: Let Black Lotus drop from all high lvl herbs. Would increase overall supply and rip away some market control from bots, but goblins could still buy up large portions of the market to keep AH supply artifically low.
-More invasive but guaranteed effective: Put a vendor in the game, where Black Lotus can be bought for, say 100g. This is a big change from original classic, but would fix all problems 100% guaranteed, while keeping flasks at a price that’s high enough so you have to work for them, but affordable for non-RMT-gold-buyers. Also, with things like 1g boons and short content phases, this version is already quite different, so why not make a big change in this area as well.
Hopefully this post contributes to making decision makers at Blizzard aware of the ongoing Black Lotus issue and something happens soon.
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just let it be able to spawn from every single note in the high lvl zones instead of fixed points. one thing is the bots but there is also A F* TON duo accounting and standing “afk” on spots with minimapalert, so if you run a whole zone, there is actually only like 10-20% of the spawnpoints where you have a chance to pick it.
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found the clown begging for anti game band aid solutions instead of lobbying against the disease that is bots
anti game? getting rid of bots is impossible and not in blizzard’s interest, so why even lobby for it? the solutions i’m lobbying for should be easy for blizzard to implement and would instantly improve the situation
Wrong. Besides that you are wrong: These groups are all RMT Players if they flask. Why do u want to play with them
not true. for example, many mages in my guild simply bought flasks when they were cheaper. i wanna use the full extent of available tools to make clearing content as efficient as possible and i want to play with other people who also respect my time by playing as efficiently as they can
No idea what your issue is. I see 99 parses of casters not flasking. l2p or learn to trade like the mages in your guild with flasks do. Its up to you
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show me 1 99 mage parse without flask pls
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Surely it would be trivial to link such a parse, right?
You can use the ` symbol on both sides of the link to insert it into a forum post.
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https://fresh.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zhqt2bnRakNmWV1C
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Very well this technically fulfills the requirement so I acknowledge it. But it has to be said he did almost half his damage done to a massive flock of whelps while under arcane power and infusion, which is like the definition of parse padding.
Do you have a parse for a full MC run as well? As Nicolay wrote this is technically a 99% parse, but pretty much cheese/parse padding
And yes another silence ban inc.
Hi i don’t think a black lotus market manipulation is going on. Either they banned bots and farmers and supply decreased or because of new raid demand is increased. Because its not only the black lotus price that is going up it’s all of flasks components. dreamfoil was avg 0.55-0.6 its now 0.9 sometimes 1.2. icecap fluctuates between 0.8-2g. mountain silversage was avg 1.4g its now 3.5g. stonescale oil was 0.15 now its 0.7-0.9 and gromsblood was 0.6-0.7 and its 1.2 now.
Sometimes there isn’t even enough if them on AH to make flasks
https://fresh.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BcDgPqZNrY6AFazf
https://fresh.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KGnfDY7L3qNFwVh2
https://fresh.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kpzVBMH9AwFj3Qmf
That is actually impressive. I mean it’s a solo mage in a raid of 20+ warriors with shaman support, so the strangest thing about this is why would a raid this tryhard not have a flask on a caster, but whatever. I suppose I have to admit it is indeed possible to get a 99 without a flask. Hurray, problem solved, crisis averted. You can all link those 4 parses in your discords and keep your raid spot without bringing flask, because it is clearly not needed for parsing 
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The answer is literally the topic of this thread. the price
Some ideas to possibly fix this problem, i havent rly considered what the exact pros and cons these will have but i will try to include some of both on each suggestion…
- Make black lotus spawns in lvl 50+ dungeons (preferably in areas that can only be reached after killing specific bosses or groups of mobs which require atleast 3 players to kill) and esspecially in raidinstances more often while drasticly lowering spawns outdoors.
Also make outdoor rares and world bosses have a chance to drop them (perhaps make rare “elites” have a slightly higher dropchance than normal rares).
-Pros: Bots will have a hard time farming them since they dont interact with real players, thus they wont be able to ask for invites or start their own group in order to farm inside dungeons and they wont be able to solo it.
-Cons: Real players will have to cooperate in order to allow herbalists to gather them, but considering the current bot situation i guess they will gladly adapt to this change instead.
- Implement Undermine Reals in Classic (just like in SoD) but make the vendor only sell “high-value” proffession mats, so no gear / toys which arent originally in Classic (aka no SoD exclusives).
-Pros and Cons: Same as suggestion 1.
- Occassional Black Lotus spawns in lvl 50+ battlegrounds, or implement box rewards which have a very small chance to contain them (after a battleground ends, perhaps add a required amount of time spent in the BG’s too so players cant easily exploit this).
-Pros: Bots dont pvp…
-Cons: Players who dont want to pvp will dislike this.
- Put limits on AH prices, dont allow overpricing on specific proffession required mats, abit similar to how gametime-tokens work on AH (although these use fixed values by blizz, i just cant think of any other example that doesnt allow intentional overpricing on AH).
-Pros: I doubt anyone will argue with this, just look at all the complaints about the current situation, those who dislike this will most likely be bots anyway so thats even an extra pro 
-Cons: Real players wont be able to exceed the price limits, again those wo dislike this are most likely bots just as in the current situation, thus this is more of a pro than a con too (imo).
To make this even more fair, also include other valued proffession mats with each suggestion, like leathers/hides, ores/bars, etc etc.
I know some suggestions may be abit too much but think about this, would you rather stay in the current situation and have bots dominate the AH or would you prefer bots become obsolete while mats become affordable?