yeah they should, it’s very strange they didn’t do it already
Yeah so… I know me popping up in every thread hit by sunlight is getting annoying… Buuuut… -.-
This arguement that wow is a pve game and that pvpers should just suck it up and just play pve is so dishonest…
The name of the game is called Warcraft… the lore of the game is founded upon war and pvp. And I think its really dishonest of PVE players to come here and just claim ‘‘This game is primary ours… And you pvp players are second rate citizens and beneath us’’
Honestly? What does it cost or hurt you? If PVP players can attain their trinkets and loot and gear from PVP gaming and the content that they want to do? Nothing… Your unaffected and will still be free to prusue your pve ways.
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It existed in Season 1 at the same max relative ilvl it does now, it was even nerfed heavily to make the proc effect near negligible which it still is now. However since then two things have changed.
1: It’s acquisition has been made significantly easier. No longer a rare drop from a late raid mythic boss and now purchasable by running LFR.
2: You’ve gained a lot more stats, you’re no longer clamouring for versatility on every single item because you’ve got the first or second or maybe even 3rd DR. You’re now looking for other stats and this ring has one of the highest mastery weights for any ring ever seen. So it’s a great way to get a lot of mastery without affecting your Vers too much if your spec wants mastery.
Nobody is using it for the shield, which has been nerfed to negligible levels, it’s just the stats. It’s kinda just natural that as you get to the point where more Vers isn’t going to help you, it’s marginally better to look for items without any. And since every PvP item has Vers except crafted items that means non PvP gear.
It’s not really the ease of getting it that’s the problem but what it takes to max its ilvl from a PvP standpoint. Crests are slow to get and in order to get aspect crests you need to be 2400+ rating. Doing one LFR wing for the bullions isn’t much of an issue, it’s more so the +6 keys needed to upgrade it to a relevant ilvl.
In s1 i think it was a mix of reduced effectiveness and requiring it to be the mythic version to keep up in terms of ilvl that made it rarely used by anyone.
The effectiveness is still reduced. The difference is in S1 we had no stats and everyone was clamouring for vers on every single slot.
There is that too. Part of why so many opt for crafted PvP items as well as the season goes on.
you are right about stats but for that purposes we have crafting gear which allows both pvp and pve players get stat combo they want without doing content they do not prefer. Pvp players are able to craft needed stats by using cheap mats from auction and special item which drops in pvp.
So adding something like that through pve shifts the balance of gearing in favor of pve forcing people to play it instead of what they want
To an extent, however crafted items are always 50/50 weighted.
I think forcing is a bit rich, given a crafted PvP ring with haste mastery is just a difference of 500 haste for 500 mastery but otherwise the same with how neutered the effect is. The only way to ensure PvP gear is always BIS is to bump the ilvl noticeably higher, yet even when they’ve done that in the past there’s still been niche PvE items certain classes have considered minorly better.
For all of the final season of WoD wallirickz used a pair of socket bracers from mythic HFC because they had slightly more mastery than their PvP counterparts, even with the loss of ilvl.
It’s mostly a minor difference that won’t make a major difference until you hit close to rank 1 range and even then it’s certainly not as impactful as some past PvE trinkets have been. If anything my issue is more so with crest acquisition from PvP, especially in regards to what it takes to get aspect crests.
Just to check. We’re also not at a point where pvpers have reached their maximum ilvl right? You can’t have full conquest gear yet. In that case people probably also use it because it goes to max conquest ilvl without having to spend conquest on a ring slot.
Don’t think it’s possible to be fully conquest geared yet but it’s close to it by now. Most supliment it with the world PvP gear on mainly non-set slots which is 3 ilvl’s lower in PvP combat. The ring does go beyond the max PvP ilvl as well by about 6 ilvl i think so that’s more of the main reason to get it for specs that want mastery.
I’ll just have to suffer another reset with the honor neck on my priest since i need the spark to make a crafted neck instead of the PvP one.
I quite agree with this.
BUT OP makes it sound like it’s always pvpers having to pve, and that is not even close to being true
The problem is stamping out any and all exceptions when there’s 40~ specs in the game that all want / care about different things is really hard.
Short of disabling the gear entirely or making a PvP only stat like resilience again, something will always slip through the cracks.
And yeah the previous two expansions I’ve needed to get 2400 for my PvE BIS.
It’s mostly just the later season issue of hitting the heavy stat DR’s on vers thanks to how heavily weighted towards it PvP items are. That and some specs can just get away with less stamina or vers by virtue of being inherently tanky and opt for more damage minded stats.
I know it was sort of an issue in BfA with trinkets but what demanded it in SL?
I don’t think he did that.
He complained in quite a dramatic fashion but that’s about it. He’s correct.
A LOT of tank gear was from PvP because of the vers heavy weighting and multiple specs wanted the PvP trinkets because bliz refused to make a bog standard stat increase on use for all of Shadowlands besides ruby which was int only and useless for fire mage.
Ah. Makes sense i didn’t pay too much attention to it then since i mainly played mage and the change on the on-use from haste to crit made it a lot less desirable compared to BfA.
That’s fine tho. Suggest pvpers have to raid oh boy that’s toxic and forced
It was also a source of raid end boss max ilvl weapons. A lot of top raid guilds ran RBG teams in the first months of Tiers 1 and 2 to get to 2400 to fish for them. The only other source of a max ilvl weapon at the time was Mythic Denathrius.
That one i did know of and it was probably for the better that they changed it. Personally i don’t mind if there’s a reason to do both types of content as long as the advantage isn’t as drastic as what especially trinkets can turn into.