Could you please clarify which role corresponds to each version of Brann?
I feel like the current design doesn’t really give us, the players, much of a choice. It seems like the following setups are required for Brann to be viable:
Tank Brann needs a healer player.
DPS Brann needs a tank player.
Healer Brann needs a DPS player.
If you try any other combination, Brann either performs terribly or just dies outright.
Can you confirm if this is the intended design? It would help players avoid wasting time on setups that aren’t meant to work.
as I wrote in another thread- people seem to be getting dumber every generation/year due to failing education system and internet addiction so I’m afraid the anser is “yes, it might be necessary to a large group of people” lol
I get that! I think it works well for players who have endless hours to spend on the game.
However, for players like myself with limited game time, spending an extra 30 to 60 minutes in a Delve just because of poor design around Brann feels frustrating. If every combination offered a more consistent “time to complete” experience, I’d be all for it.
However, if I play as a healer and Brann a tank, it simply takes 30 minutes longer than if I switch to DPS and Brann as a healer.
In my experience running 11s on all 3 roles with 7 different classes and with all 3 Brann specs…
Tank Brann - synergizes best with a healer, but can also work with either a very bursty DPS like firemage that can just delete groups before they can significantly damage Brann during their CDs, or a DpS with strong offhealing like Ret paladin.
DPS Brann - Synergizes best with Tanks, but also works well with pet classes that have good self sustain (BM-Dark Ranger hunter or any Warlock spec), or once again high-burst DPS specs that can down mobs before they down him and just take him for the extra damage. Also reasonably good with Higher Dps healing specs like Disc or Fistweaver, not so much on restodruids or others that don´t produce a noticable amount of their healing via DpS
Healer Brann: a good general purpose choice for both DPS and Tanks. Does not synergize well with healers, but makes tanking even more chill and helps keep squishier DPS without lots of self heals alive during more aggressive pulls
But I´ve also successfully run dual tank and Dual healer (though that one was on accident, I found myself wondering why his DpS was so low after half the delve and then just respecced to boomie for the rest)… any combination is doable with enough skill and /or gear, but the above recommendations are where I´d wager that Blizzard likely wants to see things generally play out. Classes like Rogue for example may want to take Brann as a tank to make everything a faceroll, but in the end they won´t be using vanish significantly less as a result, just maybe cloaking 1 or 2 times less.
What I don´t get though is the complaints from many about it taking “so much longer” (30-60 minutes, much less an “additional” 30-60 minutes) when running as a healer… apart from it now being possible AT ALL, I´m not noticably slower on a 634 restodruid w/tank than I am on 648 Demo-lock (which is arguably a Meta spec for delves) w healer or Dps Brann… You just pull the next group shortly before the current one dies to keep the stacks rolling, it´s not like you´re actually using mana in any significant capacity…
Healers use Tank Brann because his abilities are amplified by being healed. Blizzard were very upfront about Tank Brann being intended for Healers.
Tanks use DPS Brann for his execute since they can mitigate and sustain themselves.
DPS use Healer Brann for sustain.
Depending on your gearing and class’s kit, you might be able to change which role you assign to Brann but at a baseline level those are the Brann specs which work well with each role.
I understand this is an exaggerating overstatement, but the situation is not that bad. At ilvl636 I soloed a +11 Delve as Resto Shaman with lvl56 Tank Brann (without even having checked what Curios I have equipped him with) in 27 minutes. Now I may be talking out of my behind, but I doubt any combination of soloplayer + any-spec-Brann can currently clear any +11 Delve in less than 15mins at that item level.
It took less time as a 6 something DK tank… I had 4 upgrades and mostly 610 gear. Tanks have it the easiest when it comes to delvs and can do them alot sooner than the rest.
Why add time just for healers?
They could have made it where only effective healing = damage so more Brann takes the more you need to heal the more DPS output he has, that is a risk reward system right there…
Not sure why they want healers to try to DPS while healing…
but yea its a delv and you have “infinite” time to complete it. I dont see the problem to test smth by themself before reading guides or ask blizz for an explanation.
with my weaker geared tanks i do it too, but when you have like ~645 gs its ok to switch to dd brann imo
And one could just as easily ask why the most brainafk-faceroll 4 button solution should be comparably fast to someone that actually has to play mechanics, if we’re already going to compare apples to oranges.
When in reality the fact of the matter is that healer insignificantly slower if you´re playing it properly and pulling with a similar frequency than you would as a dps. But if you´re half resetting between every pack and letting his stacks fall off over and over than it´s going to take longer, just as it would on a DpS or tank not chainpulling.
Play casual and comfy and take lots of breaks, and they take more time. Challenge yourself even mildly with chainpulls, and the completion time goes down to <20 mins /delve, regardless of spec, unless you´re wildly out of your depth as a player and trying to run 11s with iLvl +/- 600 without using more than your 4-5 main buttons.
There are combinations of Curios and Brann type (DPS,Healer,Tank),as well as Brann level that gives you the options.
I use mixed combinations of Branns abilities depending on the Tier of the Delve, ilvl of my character, my class/specialization. I might not need heals at all and run DPS with Dps Brann for a faster run.
I think the issue was that healers had no option to run as a healer without pulling aggro, but i myself as heals like running with DPS Brann.
