because over all our aoe is low.
Even since mind sear nerf. They should revert mind sear,
mind sear returning without S4s Tier set though, rly wont fix problems. it took that tier set to bandaid the specc.
Would solve the problems a lot we wouldnât suck so much they can just band aid like they did in cata if we have both our dots on targets it deals twice as much damage P:
also they should add this back
https ://w owpedia. fand om. com/w iki/Sin_and_ Punishment
if mind flay crit and mind sear reduce damage of mind bender.
- in and Punishment (2 ranks)
- Shadow,
When your Mind Flay critically hits, the cooldown of your Shadowfiend is reduced by 5/10 sec.
Either do that or make mind bender a permanent pet.
They should also make Mind sear reverted
So rogues are doing better now prior to that it was warlocks topping.
Think the day we see shadow being any good the dev team must been doing something wrong, Instead of right.
They should just add haste to stamina our Buff instead so it passively gives a 5% haste.
and remove Pi and remove cast time on Dark Ascension and Void form.
Like they need to remove half the abilityâs from shadow and make it simpler to play this legion play style needs to go away remove shadow crash Make So Halo spawn on top of the targeted adds of the priest and cost Insanity then add back our four set from Shadowlands that instant procs from Shadow Word death and Mind blast make it co exists with living flame Mindender cleave.
Revert Mind sear add Mind bender as a permanently pet make Mind blast apply VT on 2 nearby targets and add back Soulshape for DISC/Holy and Door Of shadows for shadow priest Like come on blizzard are you sleeping?
They also should add so we donât have GCD on void form and dark ascension.
Also halo should apply VT to 12 targets.
Defintly not.
It does not need pruning, its ability count is absolutely fine?.
We do not need pruning lol, thats the last thing we need. This seems a really complex fix to aid. Situation.
You can achieve the same thing halving the CD on Shadow crash, and buffing some abilities damage upwards. Yes shadow needs some buffs, that cannot be denied, i just dont think shadow is as bad as made out overall.
Tbh, if they gave is a 7 - 8k dps buff to ST we would actually be upper pack easily. We are between 11-13k dps in raw numbers behind the top by logs.
I dunno i generally finish m+ runs with 40k or alittle higher overall lately or atleast started to now, and am generally seeing myself top dps (i have no Tier4. One of my trinkets do 0 dps, and tbh ive played shadow for a total of 4 days. Since BFA). Although i will say the gearing up phase felt awful to begin with
Im a pretty bad shadow atm. Im still learning the specc, and make plenty of mistakes.
I dont feel âthat badâ in terms of my output. Its just shadow crashs CD length which makes chain pulling feel bad. And our ST needs tweaking Nd i think we would likely be alright. If they are willing to remove PI for some more dmg on top itd always be nice too 
Its blatent shadow isnt a top performer, it could use some buffs, its design needs some polishing, and no i dont think as of current 10.0.5 is enough, and yeah seeing urself declined from runs continously isnt fun, but i dont think we are doomed either.
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This song fits the occasion Shadows of the past,
Victims of the future. Is there no end to all this madness?
Is there no hope for us at all?
Tho I have to say I think this version of shadow is the biggest soup of misstakes ever made but I like that Dark Ascension is back
They should make shadow crash a target Lock spell rather than a skill shot since personally shadow shouldnât be locked behinde if you hit a skill show you do damage
The pure design dev team for this version should just end their job at blizzard and play the game to see them self it does not work.
They need to bring back target locking Mind sear for starters should not be a spender if you have to move which you have to 24/7 you lose the dps this is what makes it so bad having it as a spender they should make Mind sear back to what it was and add so you can cast while channeling stuff because shadowlands priest made sense Not saying searing nightmare was fun but it was better than this crap they got with everything needs to be a skill shot.
The Mythic + does not work with it since tanks has to move 24/7 and I stand my judgment since the American forums thinks this version of shadow is the worst ever made.
They should remove shadow crash make mind bender a permanent pet make Mind blast a dot spreader.
And add back cascade.
Ion also does not know what to do with priest thatâs why we are in this decline spot which blizzard canât fix us.
Also they have to think of what worked in season 4 and take some of those abilityâs back. the four set worked that we had add that in instead of this useless thing from beyond that comes after adds are dead to Tilt you.
Stacking a debuff that instantly deals damage to adds is better than to build a pet that spawns when adds are dead. It does not work and thatâs why shadow sucks worse than ever right now.
Blizzard In General have to walk away from ââLegionââ Design people hate that Priest! They should start to make priest in to something that is Priest Now not then.
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Id disagree, id say there are a few oversights concerning its kit as ive mentioned prior.
Eeeh, itd prolly make it easier sure, i dont think its nessercsry though. Lots of casters now have skill shots.
Its not the fact it doesnt work. Its the fact they overlooked a few areas which have now caused issues.
Mind crashs CD in m+ being one of those.
If they half the CD of mind crash, and buff its ST itd be absolutely fine realistically.
No this design was heavily flawed more flawed tben current design.
When u build a class that does its rotation while channeling u end up balancing a class that requires 100% uptime because of it.
Our procs offer us periods of mobility. That was removed with SLs design and inheritly made several problems worse.
Shadow crash does not work because half the expack is movement base.
thats why Melee are doing better than skill base classes. 
Part from the evoker race which seams to have better dps. I donât see many classes having this thing shadow has that sucks.
Disagree all you want if a majority thinks its bad then blizzard should rework it after the expack pronto tbh i dont care if a 0.001% thinks it good if a majority dislikes it.
Ive never seen a tank that is continously running forwards while tanking on the move, nor do i ever miss shadow crash lol.
Um mage?. Flame patch is a huge segment on this? Except requires even more stationary play lol.
Majority think anything below meta is bad, and im ngl you have no statistics which prove if the current design is or isnt more liked then the old one.
A minority of the playerbase use the forum, and its function is for negative feedback, no one comes on the forum to tell everyone how much fun their having.
The information by forums will be bias towards negativity.
Also alot of these posts are asking for buffs. Not reworks, i dont see many saying they hate shadows new playstyle.
And alot of ehat ive even agreed with over this post.
Shadow crash is disliked because its CD doesnt allow it to do its job, to stack it being a skill shot will always split the playerbase on something.
And yeah lack of consistently applying DoTs AoE is leaving the specc abit wobbly during chain pulls.
But saying that doesnt mean âthrow the current design out the windowâ.
Shadowlands rankings. Shadow Priest 8 spot.
Dragonflight rankings Shadow Priest 21 spot.
Ye. Balancing. They could buff its current design to be the best dps in the game if they wanted to.
Nobody is saying the current design doesnt need buffs.
The current design needs buffs to work during this version.
Tho it needs to go in the next expack since it does not work.
In Legion, the design had to go.
In bfa the design had to go.
In shadowlands the design had to go.
If it gets reworked again. We will just be as bad next expansion. Without the ability to grow the class will remained ruined.
They csnt polished something if it keeps changing. It needs to stick to one design and be polished and built on.
Shadow has continously sucked in Season 1, and then been fixed by Season 4. To then be knocked down and ruined for season 1 to be fixed by season 4 again.
Iâd say they should roll with a buff to shadow crash make it travel faster and target lock and make it a 25 sec cd with two charges.
Then remake shadow in to what it was in shadowlands and bring back mind sear and that you can mind blast during Mind Flay and Mind sear and make mindbender a permanent pet bring back cascade make Dark Ascension and void form instant cast.
Make mind blast affect other targets with VT when you hit an enemy with it.
Also add back Living shadow that you build up with Mind blast to stack it up to 1min and it does awesome cleave and ST damage. I Loved that guy on your back.
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You seem to clench to this idea so much, yet you dont aknowledge how much of a botched class it was til several broken borrowed power systems carried it.
The class design was terrible.
The botched systems carrying the specc was the only thing that kept it doing ok.
Without the borrowed powers of SL. That design wont work.
SL season 1 was terrible shadow. It had 1 tier set that carried it. A tier set which aint coming back im afraid.
The rankings tells otherwise I played it i think it was superior to what we have now tho I can agree during season 2 it was bit boring but I think having a aoe on demand is better than to not have any aoe at all.
No the rankings of season 4, show different. Thanks to a tier set.
Season 1 had just as much doom ongoing around it if not more, shadow priests were defintly not happy in season 1 and saying the same stuff ur saying now about the specc.
and we do have Aoe. Its just shadow crash needs improvements.