This is what most of us have said. If the players didn’t need to do anything special, like using all of the potions in the same stack, then it shouldn’t have been bannable, as that’s on Blizzard. BUT, because you had to do a specific thing to create the exploit, it becomes the players fault.
You avoided the point I made and instead went full ad hominem.
Impressive discussion abilities you’re showing here. clap
Common sense.
You avoided his question, too.
It is well known that what is “common sense” to one might not be to another.
Then I hope the ban expanded their common sense.
It would still remain a poor argument.
If your common sense doesn’t reach the point of understanding that needing to separate the stacks of xp-boost potions before using them to make their effects stack to an unreasonable level is an exploit, nothing will be a fair argument to your broken mind.
It doesn’t matter what my common sense reaches or not. Actually common sense is in part to blame for the susensions.
It’s common sense that Blizzard can be very unpredictable as if and how they sanction exploiting, sometimes not sanctioning at all.
That’s the reasoning which led many exploiters to get themselves suspended, so no it’s clearly not a good reasoning if you want some semblance of predictable results at least.
No its clear abuse, dont act stupid.
Its like finding a atm that gives you money without inserting your card in. Hello officer, i did not know that taking money from this atm without inserting my credit card was not allowed.
Blizzard made a mistake and they abused it. Justice served.
Sure it was? I never argued otherwise. Still in general “common sense” is not going to give you a good answer in many situations.
A better answer would be “you don’t actually know so be cautious, better safe than sorry”.
No, everyone knew this was an exploit, they just thought they could get away with it.
Really, it’s more like knowingly robbing a broken ATM and thinking the cops wouldn’t get you.
And then blaming the bank for not securing their ATM enough.
Customer experience is a tricky thing - working in a retail environment you learn fairly early on that most, not all, customers are like sheep and need directing.
If, for example, a product is wrongly priced on a shelf or if its put in the wrong place with a broad-sweep price, the customer will still want it at that price. There are two out-comes to this scenario, you can either remove all those items that are for sale or (and this is what happens mostly) you exercise good will as its a mistake at ground level and allow the customer to purchase it at that price. Just an example of mistakes made that people will take advantage of.
I believe that when Blizzard were repeatedly asked about this then they should have immediately suspended use of those potions whilst it was looked into and communicated that to the players - immediately.
I’d argue most knew it was an exploit, but some were genuinely unsure what the correct behaviour was supposed to be.
That’s why common sense doesn’t work as argument: in a large population you’re bound to find someone who disagrees with yours.
Yeah right…
No, they all knew this was wrong, it required a specific way to use the items to activate the exploit.
You might see some people pretending they didn’t know this was wrong, hoping to get some pity.
The uncertainty was whether the correct behaviour was the stacking effect not happening or it happening but incorrectly only by splitting stacks. It’s a fair doubt in my opinion since potions usually don’t stack at all, so the fact that these potions did stack in some cases could have meant they implemented them to stack but failed to make it happen in all cases.
As I said, of course you are sure all knew: that’s how common sense works and the reason it’s not reliable: it makes you sure of something you don’t actually know based on your personal view of the world. How do you know how all other people think and what their reasoning was? You, in fact, do not know, but think you do.
Every time people get banned for stuff they go “wäh wäh wäh”. Jesus christ. You guys used an exploit. Everyone knew it was not intended. The way how to trigger this bug made it blant obvious (and if it didnt for anyone then i highly suggest brain surgery to ANYONE that believed that) that it was not.
There was no “accident”. At best if you happen to stack 1-5 because you bought several one times then by all means. But alas as far as i know blizzard didnt bann the 1-5 guys. The rest is collateral damage.
“Blizzard should have handled it differently” my butt. You broke the rules. You get punished. Its that simple. There is no excuse, no buts, no whys. Just you lot simply shutting the heck up and deal with your punishment.
Actually depending on your jurisdiction and circumstances, rightly so. E.g. in my country shelf prices are in general considered binding, meaning that a customer has the right to get the good at the labelled price even in case of it being wrong.
or they told other people how to do it also, what also meens they can get longer bans due to spreading exploits, heck youtubers have been caught doing that getting realy long bans before.
Just to understand, why you assume those who argue against Blizzard’s actions must have been sanctioned too? I guess it can be true for some, but definitely not for everyone debating.
CBA reading all comments, but here’s my 2 cents:
Imagine you want to go to Vegas, and there’s a travelling agency that offers either bus rides or plane flights to get there. At some point some ppl figure out that if you use many bus tickets at the same time, you can actually access the airplane! How neat is that You tell your friends and some ppl also tell the company that “hey we can actually use these bus tickets to enter airplane”. For some reason the company doesn’t reply in any media platform. Then ppl start to stream the flight itself and promote that you can access this with bus tickets only.
2 days later company finally fixes the bug.
Couple more days later company announces that ppl who used the plane with bus tickets get a 2-31 day bans from the casino. Because it’s obvious that it was your fault for using the plane, not ours in any way. Go gamble somewhere else for a while.
Does this sound ridiculous? It is. I’m sad how poorly Activision Blizzard handles this stuff. In the real world this wouldn’t be customers fault.
And how such thing can pass quality assurance and testing? New currency and item that was added in 8.1. . . . How in earth nobody tested this inside a multi billion dollar company?