Blizzard needs to reintroduce AP to save wow

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Uda-uldum

A) On the game menu select a difficulty. For simple purposes select a number between 0 and infinite. 0 is the difficulty anyone in green gear can do. And lets see how far the best in the world can get to.

All world quests, events, and mobs will increase to that difficulty.

I think some content should just be ‘normal’ difficulty by default.
WQs for instance. You can always have elite WQs just like you currently have; this will increase the difficulty of the quest by default.

But the issue with changing everything with a toggle is; there will be WQs which are by their very nature easier than others. In such a case, you would undoubtedly get ‘degenerate behaviour’, like doing only very particular WQs on a higher difficulty to farm higher currency. And then changing to a lower difficulty for the other WQs.

I think limiting the choice of difficulty to specially designed quests and questlines would be better; those can be created with various difficulties in mind.

So basically a lot of world content would stay as it currently is. But once you have aquired enough of those rewards, you’d be able to start doing the more difficult content (maybe gating it by ilvl just like you need a minimum ilvl to join a raid? Not sure if that would go down well though).

@Uda-uldum

B) Start by making world quests infinite. So you can geek out as much as you want. Then maybe events.

And then add more stuff. As you also suggested, but some/most of it has to be repeatable. Because blizz cannot add new quests every week. Otherwise you run out of stuff to do.

Agreed.

@Uda-uldum

C) Allow for solo and group content. Using the flex raid engine. Mobs have double life / hit twice as hard, ect… Up to a maximum of 3 (to separate it from M+). And I would go further and make it 3 dps ONLY.

Well this is the hard bit, I think.
Maybe it would be more productive to implement a ‘torghast like’ feature in the world.
I’m personally not a fan of such content, but it would add a choice of different types of content to do; and it would be easier to balance than actual outdoor stuff.

@Uda-uldum

D) To be in line with the rest of the 3 pillars, the rewards you get is a currency you use to buy gear of appropriate ilvl of the difficulty. You balance out how much of this currency you need afterwards. And with a weekly cap (like the rest of us).

I’m personally not a fan of getting currency to buy stuff. I’d rather have an upgrade system like we do now; you either get actual gear that you can then upgrade or you get ‘stuff’ you need to do the upgrading.

There should of course also be a selection of cosmetic rewards available.

@Uda-uldum

But in line with the difficulty you could say that at 0 difficulty you can kill the mobs you encounter and finish the quest. If you are successful, you get currency for 411 gear.

And at higher difficulty you have to ninja your way around mobs (with stealth vision) because if they find you they 1 shot you and you have to start over. If you are successful you get currency for 447 gear.

I am not a fan of that kind of gameplay personally. I don’t like one shot mechanics.
It’s a cheap gaming mechanic imo and ‘starting over’ annoys me.

But how difficulty should be incorporated into various activities is up to the devs to solve, ultimately.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Mylini-silvermoon

Legion & BFA are the worst expansions.

In your opinion.
In my opinion Legion was THE best expansion to date.

@Mylini-silvermoon

Legion made me pretty much switch over to FFXIV for most of it, BFA almost made me quit playing WoW.

Fair enough, but that still doesn’t make your opinion fact. I respect your opinion though; I just disagree with it.

[Aresanob-thunderhorn]

@Tah-earthen-ring

In my opinion Legion was THE best expansion to date.

Legion was a very very good expansion because i liked the artifact weapons. However i disliked that i had to farm AP.

[Mylini-silvermoon]

You really need to stop the whole “hurr, agree to disagree”-shtick you got going. Bye, ignored forever.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Mylini-silvermoon

You really need to stop the whole “hurr, agree to disagree”-shtick you got going.

Why do I ‘need to’ do that?

PS: I didn’t actually use that sentence in my reply. I just said I respect your opinion, but I disagree with it.

@Mylini-silvermoon

Bye, ignored forever.

Factually false. You can only ignore someone for a year maximum.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Aresanob-thunderhorn

Legion was a very very good expansion because i liked the artifact weapons. However i disliked that i had to farm AP.

Fair enough.
And I’m not claiming Legion was perfect.
Just, for me it was the single best experience I ever had during an expansion.

I disliked Argus though.

[Furyeclipser-stormscale]

@Mylini-silvermoon

Legion & BFA are the worst expansions. Legion made me pretty much switch over to FFXIV for most of it, BFA almost made me quit playing WoW.

Bro, we were showered with AP. Doesn’t matter what we did, where did we go, AP was dropping.

[Aresanob-thunderhorn]

@Furyeclipser-stormscale

Bro, we were showered with AP. Doesn’t matter what we did, where did we go, AP was dropping.

Legion had a terrible downside. Yes we got plenty of AP however it was really bad designed. The whole casino legendaries that made you FARM NON STOP because you needed the correct ones was trash design. I did raid as shadow. I was literally afraid to change loot spec despite the fact i would play m+ as healer. Having to wait 20-30 days for a lego only to get a wrong spec one was trash design. One day i wanted a healing trinket from a dungeon, i changed my loot spec and i got:

X'anshi, Shroud of Archbishop Benedictus

I ended up swap to raid holy x___x. And i had to make another healer go dps because it was strong. Free combat res and free healing for the duration every single pull in raid.

[Uda-uldum]

I hope they implement these suggestions in a balanced way. It would be nice.

Then as you said, blizz can start balancing the content to avoid issues. Like they with the other 3 pillars.

@Tah-earthen-ring

Maybe it would be more productive to implement a ‘torghast like’ feature in the world.
I’m personally not a fan of such content,

Fair enough. But there are a lot of people that like to play with friends. Its an option I would definitely leave opened.

On the other had, if there is no way to balance properly the grouped open world content, then I would not allow people to group up. If X and Y quest are solo, then you cant group up.

Otherwise people will cheese it.

@Tah-earthen-ring

I’d rather have an upgrade system like we do now

Correct. For me personally what is important is that we all have the same system. Or, that nobody shares the system. Currently everyone shares it and its crests. So that’s what you would get.

[Mylini-silvermoon]

@Furyeclipser-stormscale

Bro, we were showered with AP.

No, we weren’t.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Uda-uldum

On the other had, if there is no way to balance properly the grouped open world content, then I would not allow people to group up. If X and Y quest are solo, then you cant group up.

Otherwise people will cheese it.

Agreed.
Maybe lower the reward if done in a group; then people CAN cheese it, but it won’t be lucrative.

Such measures would only have to be taken if there was an issue with balancing the difficulty for it of course.

@Uda-uldum

Currently everyone shares it and its crests. So that’s what you would get.

Sounds fine to me.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Mylini-silvermoon

No, we weren’t.

How would you know?

@Mylini-silvermoon

Legion made me pretty much switch over to FFXIV for most of it

[Furyeclipser-stormscale]

@Aresanob-thunderhorn

The whole casino legendaries

I agree, but that is different topic.

[Zhujiang-mograine]

@Mylini-silvermoon

Legion & BFA are the worst expansions.

To you.

Anyone who can do addition and subtraction and look at numbers is aware that both Legion and BFA were significantly more popular to the general playerbase than the current iteration of Retail WoW.

Could you argue that the masses just have poor taste and that it is better that Dragonflight is some kind of hidden arthouse-esque gem that is enjoyed by only true intellectual gaming snobs™

Sure!!

However the dungeons and raids are absolutely terrible (and rushed) and even stuff like the art and music has fallen off a cliff. So I would not just argue that Dragonflight enjoyers are in the minority, I would also argue they have terrible taste as well!!

It honestly pains me, because I thought Tazavesh (Gambit) was such a killer dungeon, and I really had high hopes for the content in Dragonflight, but it just completely failed to deliver.

[Mylini-silvermoon]

@Zhujiang-mograine

To you.

Trust me, if they threw launch Legion at us now WoW would pretty much be dead within a few months, lol.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Mylini-silvermoon

Trust me

Never.

@Mylini-silvermoon

if they threw launch Legion at us now WoW would pretty much be dead within a few months

That’s such utter nonsense, even for you, honestly.

[Sillybug-stormscale]

@Mylini-silvermoon

Legion & BFA are the worst expansions

BFA content was the best we ever got, the systems were just absolute GARBAGE.

[Shihiroki-kirin-tor]

@Tah-earthen-ring

No.
Because the anti AP crowd were by and large ‘big 3’ players. Vocal players generally speaking.

Not only “big 3” players are vocal and even some rwf raiders like thd are very loud and vocal about bringing this useless chore back in the game.

@Tah-earthen-ring

The pro AP crowd are by and large ‘casual’, ‘world content’ and ‘solo’ players. Non vocal players generally speaking.

These players tend to quit seasons pretty early on anyways, so of course they ain’t gonna be vocal or complain about systems they don’t really need to engage with. And that is fine. Whereas pve and pvp players have to deal with those damn systems for longer period of time, so that pretty much explains why we were more open about removing ap.

@Tah-earthen-ring

It gave them a MUCH larger platform.
So the silent playerbase went unheard. So opinion looked completely skewed to anyone ‘watching in’.

One could also say most of mythic raiders aren’t even using these platforms and are therefore as silent.

@Tah-earthen-ring

They should have done a poll. An ingame poll, where we log in and before we can play our character we have to answer a few simple questions

The same poll asked when we’re un subbing?

@Tah-earthen-ring

I believe that AP would have come out of that MUCH more favorably.

And I’m confident the anti-ap party would have still won, from a landslide to a comfortable majority.

@Tah-earthen-ring

Those expansions were pretty succesful (for an old game).
Remember this (BfA): The expansion sold more than 3.4 million units on its first day of release according to Blizzard, making it the fastest-selling World of Warcraft expansion.

Bfa sold fast thanks to wrong leading marketing and legion being a success. Ap was not even a reason as to why bfa was a commercial success at launch. That being said :

@Tah-earthen-ring

AP was just 1 of them for some people. But they had literal lists of issues.

But ap definitely played a role in players quitting bfa, which ended up with bad players retention.

@Tah-earthen-ring

So do I. Yet right now I’m having to do a chore to continue gearing. Is that fair?

Which chores? There are none. You’re being given gear accordingly to the content you’re doing.

@Zhujiang-mograine

People act like Legion and BFA with AP did not have amazing numbers compared to whatever we have now always makes me laugh.

Did asmongold supported ap?

[Mylini-silvermoon]

@Sillybug-stormscale

BFA content was the best we ever got,

No.

I beta tested BFA.

On launch there were several game breaking bugs that had been reported in the beta.

Tol dagor never had the pulling through floors/walls fixed.

Freehold was a loot fiesta.

Siege was really imbalanced between the factions due to the first boss being a complete pushover on the other faction comparatively.

Kings rest remained bugged for the entirety of BFA. You had a chance to brick your key because you couldn’t progress the dungeon, every key.

Temple remained bugged for the entirety of BFA. You could lose the eye, it happened in MDI even.

Atal’dazar had some of the most degenerate gameplay, snapping mobs.

Waycrest manor sucked with it not being a fixed route. Also, mobs being pulled from the floor below. Infested affix running through the floor/walls/doors, pulling half the dungeon on you.

Shrine was massively overtuned.

We’ve never had so bugged dungeons as BFA had. Those that weren’t bugged had balancing issues.

[Aresanob-thunderhorn]

@Furyeclipser-stormscale

I agree, but that is different topic.

Yeah i mean it was an answer if Legion was a good expansion. It was due to Artifact Weapons but the legendaries design killed the chance of it being probably one of the best ones.