I cant even be bothered to write a proper post at this point so here goes;
Nothing for fury?..
How can you possibly be buffing retri by that much and leaving fury alone?
Is this a joke?
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Yes, major oversight by the devs. It was bad until now, but even less reasons with the upcoming class changes to fill the melee spot in mythic plus with a warrior.
Im not even sure there are any employees working/looking at fury anymore.
What a clown show this is ⌠finally an arms buffs. Overall a 4-5% damage increase, barely enough to put us on par with fury, while retribution gets a way more significant buff, while already prioviding similar damage and way more utility. /golfclap
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Trouble is my guess is they look at ST mythic boss dmg where ret was totally dumpster last and fury is actually top 5-6 , but in comparison now ret is going to absolutely blast in m+
I would imagine at this point either Blizz are actually trolling Fury or they genuinely have no resources and/or employees able to work on the spec.
I wouldnât even mind paying 60 or 70 bucks for an expansion + the sub, if at least it felt like someone was doing work (besides the art team). I wouldnât even know if Blizzard has employees that evaluate class balance, based on what we see here. They definitely donât seem to balance things around M+, so much is obvious.
fury does solid dmg in m+
no dmg buffs will make them get more invites anyways, the issue is that warrior brings nothing useful to the table and this will probably not change this expac anymore
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How will no damage buffs get them more invites? That makes no sense. From personal experience I can tell you that in 23+ keys with 3k+ rio it is extremely rare that you will get a m+ group invite as a warrior.
âŚis also relative. Of course, if you have a bad mage/DH/rogue etc. in the group it might appear that warrior does solid damage when the warrior plays perfectly and doesnât die while your groupmates do. But would you take a warrior when you have any other DPS with the same rio/gs? Absolutely not, why would you ^^
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because fury already does very good dmg in my experience.
The reason i dont invite warriors is because I donât have space between dispel, bl and brez requirements.
Again, âvery good dmgâ compared to what? Bad DHs, hunters, rogues etc.? Warrior does mediocre dmg at best when skill lvl/rio/gs is roughly the same compared to other dps classes while bringing absolute worse group utility
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balance team probably looked at mythic igira logs saw fury rank one and decided it is enough for rest of the season. but in fact furyâs sustained aoe claeve is so bad for mythic plus. fury is in a good spot for raiding but m+ hell no. outside of 1.5min cds it does tank damage. even 1.5 min cds are not that good compared to other specs in m+ atm.
arms buffs was needed but why not aura buff ? woudnt be an overall aura buff the abilities better ? maybe on top of that bladestorm and cleave buff for m+. also arms is weakest compare to other plate weareres when it comes to the survibility. die by sword, defensive stance, spell reflect are good defensives but passive damage reduction and self sustain rather weak (fualed by violence, ignore pain). they could also adress that.
warrior class tree and utilities needs a rework. for mythic plus dungeons at least.i wont call bloodlust or battleres for warrior. i would like to see some changes for m+ utilities such as:
-shockwave needs to be higher on the tree and not near bottom major damage talents. and 1 pont to reach.
-Intimidating Shout should be uncapped
-safeguard/intervene from pvp can also apply pve. %20 dr for your squishy part member/healer.this adds decent value to warriors in m+
-rallying cry nerfed a lot but we didnt get compensation buffs for mythic plus content. it is still strong for raiding but so weak for 5 man content. it can easily be balanced for mythc plus.
people may disaggre with me. i respect everyones opinions.
feedback is given by players in forums. most stated issue was utility for mythic plus dungeons but blizzard decided to do nothing about it. if not utility we need do more than decent damage to find place in m+ for ourselves.
extra note: why the hell we cant deal any affixes. afflicted and Incorporeal. at least they could make Intimidating Shout deal with incorporeal (perma stun it). it woudnt make us op or anything. 1.5 min cd to help with incorporeal looks fair to me.
warrior dev hello ? are you there ?
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He left the chat a while agoâŚ
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Playing since 2nd week of 10.2, today still no legendary. What an amazing design.
Whoever makes these decisions, needs to be punished in real life, this should be illegal. Stop with this casino game design already and make something competent.
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This is the worst m+ season for fury damage wise . Tier set provides no aoe. We are doing tank damage outside of cds ( basically every 2nd pack) . We are getting gapped around 30-35% overall atm. You can check logs to confirm this info
that is true for a lot of classes. Lucky for you is that fury cds are quite low cd timer.
if you were doing 35% dmg less than others, how would a fury warrior even reach 3,7k+ rio?
For a non meta class that is still very solid. Considering there are basically only 5-6 specs over 3.8k anyways.
dmg seems good enough to time a +31, what else could you want?
Blizzard hates PvP - Nps I play other games where they love PvP and having fun⌠
We went from 30-40 sec class to 1.5 min class and while classes with higher cds has some kinda damage output without their main cd we have nothing.
Again saying this , check logs. Iâm not talking about ââ if ââ iâm presenting you numbers.
After certain level of a key , surviving becomes one of the key part to complete the key. While fury is lacking the damage , it is one of the tankiest dps specs in the game. Always there will be exceptions but currently meta charts and participation rate shows that we arent doing fine.
While meta specs existing bringing value to the group comps we are making risky plays to compete like taunt reflects which is always a hit or miss.
all i am seeing if I watch the top fury streamers, they are mostly on par dmg wise with the others in group.
You cannot make everyone Meta anyways, so there will be a lot of losers that are not meta.
You have to live with it.
so it is qualified by other means to do high keys and you are still whining that you should do 30% more dmg so you will be the king of the meta charts?
Is that kind of a joke or something?
Fury is not even close to the bottom. There are other specs that are way more desperate for help⌠hi, affliction?
fury will never be meta because it has nothing valuable to add to the group besides dmg. Utility got crapped already.
So instead of advocating for more dmg, ask for something useful to bring to the group.
bloodlust would be a least fitting for the berserker. Would give groups at least some leeway when Rsham and ewanker are not the meta healers.
dmg is not the only reason why furys are not invited.
The affixes push fury out and then group comps that require BL and Brez.
Currently we have 2 meta classes as heal/tank that have neither BL or Brez. That leaves you with 3 spots that have to fill 2. Then groups still prefer to have more utility like aoe stuns or whatever.
point is if you want to play the highest keys, you have to reroll. The mdi players are doing the same. I doubt they like to reroll all the time, but they have to if they want to be at the top.
Now it happens more often than not that classes like Fire mage or aug are still top.
I think the idea is to have a gameplay/class design that makes every class useful/viable. If theyâre lacking healing, bump up the healing. If theyâre lacking dps, bump up the dps. If theyâre lacking aoe stun, redesign the skill.
If you have to reroll and play something that you donât really want every damn season to be relevant or hoping to get invited to a key, that means people who design the game failed. Simple as that.
Of course there can be a meta, but the meta shouldnât feel too isolated from the second best, third best, fourth best meta. Some classes are not even far from the meta, theyâre not in the same universe.
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