I am not actually complaining, just pointing out the obvious that all the new systems Blizzard has created simply do not work, will never work as they think and want them to, It’s just a disaster waiting to happen.
4 Likes
See, I disagree with that. It makes the world and story have verisimilitude.
You, as a player, can disagree with ‘that character’s motives’, but that doesn’t mean those motives are meaningless.
There’s a LOT of proof.
Members of Covenants are trained/brainwashed/conditioned/saved/purified etc etc. Being part of a Covenant is seen as a BIG and VITAL thing for The Shadowlands.
You have no proof that it CAN be done.
But… I’m not saying it CAN’T be done, I’m saying I don’t think those characters involved would WANT that.
It affects YOUR gameplay negatively. It’s not a universal thing.
Mythic dungeons affect my gameplay negatively. Are they bad because of that?
That’s not a universal bad thing. You could also view it as a bit of extra challenge in certain areas or as a consequence of a choice you made; a positive thing.
Not true. They can be utilized just fine. Just not ‘at the very peak’, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be just fine (so the only way your argument is true here, is if YOUR definition of ‘utilized properly’ is ‘performing at a maximized efficiency’, which I fundamentally disagree with, so if that’s the case; let’s just agree to disagree on this one).
This is a straw man reason. You’re most likely not actually experimenting. You’re looking up a guide and copy pasting. That’s not experimentation.
What?! That kind of reasoning doesn’t even make sense. Come on man.
Okay, so again; it’s bad for YOU.
Doesn’t mean it’s bad by default for everyone.
Wellll, they kind of do. You are playing within their systems and rulesets. Sure, there’s wiggle room there (thank god), but you’re not free to do ‘any- and everything’.
If you can’t use them in the way you want, you weren’t given the OPTION in the first place. So this line of thinking is a fallacy.
Analogy time: If I’m given water by someone, I can’t say I was given the option of cola and then complain I was given water. Cola was never offered.
But it doesn’t. Switching covenants does; which means losing all the soulbinds you have, losing the specific powers, etc.
That’s something else completely than letting you use such a thing whilst being in another covenant. THAT is my point.
Underlying backend dependancies might prevent this atm; I’m not saying such a thing wouldn’t be solveable, but that would require time and effort and to me it seems they’re busy enough atm as it is.
Yeah i think so, no way they will complete SL good enough untill the release date.
Not
a
chance
i’m a pretty princess
1 Like
Yes you are.
Well they did decide and given the sh**storm for the delays to warcraft 3 reforge. It both failed to improve with the increased time invested and released late. Lol.
So why p*** the playerbase off for even more reasons we all know with or without more time it will still release imbalanced and bugged 
Well… If they delay it. To not improve it… kinda is trolling almost. Or you think with a few more months in beta they’re gonna undo convenant locks? Or magically fix monks after 6 years of not bothering.
Tbh. If the bugs amount any further I’d question if we actually would be able to log in any more 🤷
Maybe quieten down on the attacking players frantically? I merely put my opinion forward in a thread based on opinons? Lol.
Tough luck? Not rly, It will just add to the dissapointments wow can deliver before 2020 ends
It makes it more fake, your soul is more important than your “what would my friends think” line of thinking.
I am talking about LORE, not your made up loyalty argument. Unless it’s specifically stated, it’s not an actual restriction.
I said what could be done, you started the whole meaningless loyalty argument for which you have no proof.
Your line of thinking is faulty. If i’d save your soul, you’d bet your butt that you’d “owe” me, no matter who my “best” friends are.
Yes, it affects my gameplay negatively. And so does it affect others.
Your mythic dungeon issue, don’t do that game mode then?
Also, you don’t even need to chose any conduits, be serious, you’d be fine not filling anything in there for your level of content.
So ofc, you personally don’t give 2 rats butts about a cooldown on it.
Oh we’re going the “challenge” part?
No, the challenge part is selected at the game mode and LEVEL, that one plays.
Conduits designed like this are idiotic.
If i do raids and my best ones are ST ones, then i do M+ cause i also like doing those, then i’m going in with ST enhancements instead of AOE ones, where those are the ones for M+. It’s simply stupid.
Hey guys, i raid so i’ll do due to my ST conduits 20% less DPS. Yes i’m stupid and i’m bringing ST to AOE hurr durr.
SO MUCH MEANINGFUL CHOICE.
When can i change conduits? Ummm… never? You know why? Cause i raid weekly, i do M+ weekly, i do PVP in some form or another weekly, i do dailies… daily, i do old raids practically daily.
So yeah sure i’ll bring on the PURE ST, cause i’m too dumb to be able to change to my AOE one, or mobility ones or defensive ones. No, i’m just a bloody moron who doesn’t know what’s beneficial in which mode. /sarcasm
This part shows that you have zero, absolutely zero clue on how conduits work.
If i chose a soulbind and i put in DPS conduits and after i change to Holy spec, guess what, i have zero healing conduits, if that doesn’t define misuse then i must be crazy af. Maximum efficiency? This is ZERO efficiency.
You can keep your opinion to yourself, i make my own choices, if it coincides with some of what some site says, that’s cool.
Makes perfect sense. Wanna get locked down to one covenant? Go ahead, your choice.
So go away with your “but meaningful choices”. Since it has zero bearing on any meaning because you’re practically forced to stay with 1 covenant.
And you don’t speak for everyone either.
Oh look, i can change everything except my class, race and faction(without paying) right now without being time-gated. In Shadowlands multiple systems are time-gated because Blizz wants to tell me how to play.
So yes, they will restrict my possibility to play to the maximum efficiency within my class/race.
This is the drastic change that doesn’t sit well with me and a lot of other players.
But i can, because Blizz is changing the possibility of maximum effectiveness now, because they want us to play the game with reduced capacity.
It’s like instead of having Orange Juice, Water and Pepsi we’re getting just water now…
Like i said, the systems are apart right now on BETA, there is no reason they can’t make them come live like they are now, sans some text changes and maybe an interface.
There are no underlying back end dependencies because they’re already apart and don’t depend on each other.
2 Likes
Do you honestly believe SL will be ever ready to launch?
Convenants won’t be balanced with 2 months or 4 years invested. Monks not been fixed in multitudes of years and expansions. What’s a few months going to do? Let them ignore the class abit more?
I dunno why players cling to the idea that the investment will go anywhere.
With the development time spent I doubt they have the budget to go back on decisions this quickly or before it’s release. The game has a dedicated budget.
That budget will only been given again upon patch releases. They don’t have the budget to revert the decision. Blizzard seemed to have believed players would give this a chance to launch before they lost their minds
It will be the same as every expansion, the 1st 2 weeks will have glaring bugs that will be fixed. And then itll be fine for the most part
No, they shouldn’t, I am sick and tired of BfA.
They promised something and delivered another.
Taking too much time and delievering a bad product can also happen.
Yes something can take time and still be bad.
But a rushed product will always be bad.
Yes they don’t want to cash in the expansion.
/S
If it’s not ready it’s not.
It won’t go faster just because people are asking it.
Play something else.
Right now it just seems, my apologies for what I am about to say:
Everyone is so addicted to this game, that it’s starting to look like an issue tbh.
I hated BFA because of the story.
Worst expansion ever, for me.
But I still have tons of stuff to do in game.
Seems more a case of running out of favorite things to do in the game, than running out of content to play.
Otherwise I would have the same problems, which I don’t.
Cheers.
2 Likes
Hah, no i dont trust blizzard these days to release a product when it is ready.
BfA doesn’t have a problem with one running out of content. Its problem is exhausting you to death with a bajillion chores that make you feel bad, or even cripples you, for not doing them enough while - simultaneously preventing you from doing what you really want to do because you won’t have time.
Part of this feeling of having chores is that everything is daily. Basically the game loves telling you to do something a couple of times and then it tells you to stop - or rather, it lets you continue but for an awful and tiny reward to the point where you’d rather wait until tomorrow than waste your time.
But because there are so many different activites, all with their own daily, you end up basically going ADHD on chores, and it’s ridiculously frustrating.
3 Likes
More time won’t fix bad design. I won’t go hardcore for the first season but as long as there is no dayli grind to make spec enjoyable, then I’m fine.
I just hope they won’t add any layers of system throughout SL and hope that 10.0 will really focus on baseline specs rather than another couple of years rent a power!
They will, a fix for a fix.
It will be dubbed Systemlands, we’re almost out of Beta for Azeroth.
1 Like
You’re wastin’ you’re time!
Don’t be dat doomsayer!
1 Like
This post says it well:
Yeah…
I’m off to bed, gn.
It IS lore. Look up the various covenant storylines, campaigns and lore. Hell, watch the Covenant cinematic videos we’ve received over the past few weeks.
No, this is you strawmanning.
Someone not wanting to, or feeling obliged not to, is a restriction.
Sigh. Whatever, I’m not going to keep going in circles with you.
I clearly explained it, you ignore it; fine. Done.
No, that is YOUR way of thinking.
A fanatic, a zealot would NOT think that way.
Sure, they would be thankful, but their mission, their dedication is MUCH MUCH more important to someone like that. Don’t project your personal views on characters that aren’t ‘you’.
Yeah, but not everyone. That’s my point.
It’s not a ‘universal’ bad. It’s ‘your’ bad.
And I’m not saying you’re not justified in not liking it because yeah, it is bad FOR YOU. But, well… Like I said… there’s plenty of stuff some players don’t like and affects them negatively. And yet we’re not all asking for the removal of such things.
Nonsense. You’re being demeaning towards my preferred way to play the game.
Upgrades and power gain of course has an effect on all manner of content; my preferred content included.
I explained to you why I like it and yet you just ignore that.
Why is that? My ‘taste’ or ‘opinion’ doesn’t count?
Not only. There’s other challenges too. Many in fact.
So this could just be one of them. Sounds great, right? You want challenging content, right? Right? Right?
Your opinion. Fine. I have a different opinion.
But we established that already.
Oh noes, you’ll do a little less dps, oh my god the horror. 
In your opinion. In mine; it’s absolutely fine.
Just like class A has less powerful aoe than class B, for instance.
This rant sounds obsessive to me if I’m being honest here.
And that, my misinformed friend, is why you have 3 different soulbinds. So you can set them up for exactly such a scenario. One with dps conduits and one with healing conduits. And then you have one more left for another setup. Yaaaaay. Solved.
Oh, but wait… ‘I have zero, absolutely zero clue on how conduits work’. 
Ahuh. 
Sure, man. Sure.
True. But seeing as our opinion on this system differ immensely, you can be sure there’s more people who disagree on all sorts of aspects pertaining to Covenants.
So; who’s wrong and who’s right? Nobody? Everyone?
Blizzard decides what THEY do with their game. You can disagree with them. Just as I an agree with them. It means nothing at this particular moment in time.
Maximum efficiency is an extreme. An extreme that is not needed in the majority of WoW’s content. An extreme that players such as yourself are ‘inflicting’ upon yourself. It’s. Not. Needed. You can get by with 'less than maximum efficiency except in the very high end content of this game. But Blizzard cannot and should not balance this game for and cater this game to that very small part of the playerbase that plays that content.
You obviously can’t because that’s what you’re complaining about.
No no no. Don’t change the subject.
This part was NOT about the ‘general subject of maximum effectiveness’. This part was about you wanting to be able to change Covenant powers, but that was never on offer. This part was about you wanting to change conduits whenever you want to, but that was never on offer.
You want things that were not offered to you. Period.
So no, your analogy is wrong.
You were offered water, but you want cola. Just because in the past you could drink another type of fizzy drink. But the thing that you ultimately don’t seem to understand, is that cola is bad for you. You should stick to water; it’s much healthier.
You don’t KNOW that they are or are not. You cannot look into Blizzard’s backend. So you don’t know these things. Neither do I, but… the thing that I am going on is that Blizzard themselves said that those systems are intertwined and that it’s not possible at the moment.
Because THAT is what Ion said. Sorry, but I’m going to take the lead developer’s word over yours. if you don’t mind.
1 Like