No, higher than timewalking. In general, I think the better solution would be to add solo queues for M+ and rated PVP. Then people who do world could do PVE / PVP, because the main obstacle is having to group manually. Barring that, separate stats for PVE / PVP. Barring that and in cases where the main obstacle is just that PVE / PVP is boring (and world isn’t), if all gear has to be the same (it doesn’t, but if), world can provide any items up to 226 and 233, it just has to do it slowly. Eg, 8 times slower than top PVE / PVP and 4 times slower than average-effort PVE / PVP.
That’s my point: NOTHING would be ‘getting nullified’.
Raiding would STILL be the go-to content for higher gear.
People who like raiding don’t want to take months gearing up at a snails pace just doing world content. But people who don’t raid, might. I know I would. It would be something for me to work towards.
No. 1 item per month. And that’s IF you always do the required content. Skip one or fail to make it; bam another week added to it.
It’s a much, much worse way to gear up. But for people like me, it would at least be A way. Right now there’s nothing.
Leveling 8 chars and doing, say 50 WQs, WITH EACH OF THEM, every single week, is no effort?
Come on now. Stop being silly.
Yeah, I don’t. Because it would be at the cost of world content. It’d scale even worse than it does now. No thanks.
Doing WQs is NOT 0 effort. It’s literally not.
You’re playing the game. Stop. Being. So. Hyperbole.
I can raid while watching a movie. I can do a BG while watching a movie. I can do a dungeon while watching a movie. What’s your point?
It’s not AFK content, literally. Because if you AFK, nothing happens.
You’re being horribly unreasonable (and unrealistic).
i 100% Disagree. in a pug enviroment u would NEVER manage a single dungeon once u reached above like +8.
I agree
eeeeh adding 226 and 233 would be bad.
u have to add all systems up currently
time walking, Dungeon Events, Rep Rewards (200 ilevel pieces) covenant armour (197) and adding onto additional systems… at what point is there enough Systems in the game to combine to simply zoom.
u also have to take into account how much will this accelerate the gearing path for Raiders
any open content reward u launch u are accelerating their gear process also by.
talk to the raiders currently… because i know people who’ve gone 3 weeks in raids without a Single drop 
I think u’ll find we are ALL Gearing at snails pace right now.
I know someone who did 19 plaguefalls and didnt get the item they need…
atm snail pace is the gearing process and the vault aint working out as “profitable” as expected.
hence why PvP boosting has Quadrupled in popularity since SL Launch.
The thread isn’t really about that, so I won’t push, but solo queue for M+ would work perfectly well because it isn’t just PUG, it’s rated PUG (the same principle as RIO, but implemented way more maturely), etc.
Let’s talk about Blizzcon though. It’s quite obvious we aren’t getting any revolutions like the above, let’s see what we are actually getting.
I think the problem is that the raid simply has too many difficulty levels, lfr plus heroic or mythic would be enough.
I doubt the numbers for participation in raiding are good enough which is why we now have 4 modes for it.
Question is, is it worth it to break everything else in game ( that would include mythic plus ) just to keep a few raiders happy?
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Yeah and that was broken and is being fixed.
Yeah and that was broken and is being fixed. Except for world content.
Yeah and that was broken and is being fixed.
Yeah and that was broken and is being fixed.
Yeah and that was broken and is being fixed.
Stop making moot points.
eeeh… i feel like if RIO become a Inhouse system i nthat sorta enviroment M+ boosts would become FAR more valuable.
if someone cant reject u as they personally can diagnose u as a boosted player which a System wont be able to.
you will effectively bypass filters quickly.
Im pretty happy with what we’re getting… i just feel it needs refining. i.e Valor system being sped up abit.
Not being funny but how do you know this? What is the source for that statement? These forums are not representative of the player base.
the Maw seemed pretty busy just now as did the lobby area for Torghast, personally I love the Maw it is oppressive and dangerous, exactly as it is supposed to be. This forum is not reflective of the whole player base. Ultimately only Blizzard knows how successful/how participated something is.
its being upped to 3 pieces per 25 man raid… its Still a Tiny quantity. and if the valor system is a 10 week process for 1 upgrade thats even slower then ur world idea.
10 weeks per item isnt acceptable let alone considered a “fix”
if we’re looking at pushing the game to Legion / BFA Standards… neither of those are enough
I won’t speak for Farwin, but I’d say: Common sense.
They are. Same as reddit. Not for all the tiny details, but for general vibes they are. Torghast has been a failure. Same for the Maw.
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the forums are a representation of the unhappy players in WoW.
Effectively if ur unhappy with the game u come to the forums… so while Yes. Collectively the forums are a minority. however, its still a Representation of the unhappy players. which are the ones here.
That’s just you speculating though. Nothing is set in stone.
Because, as Blizzconline day 1 taught us: Blizzard is terribly behind schedule with WoW.
Explain…what is ‘common sense’ about it? If no one liked it then it would be empty. I read on here over and over again people saying they never step foot in it, if the forum reflected the community it was be empty. It is not.
So the forums are not representative of the whole player base only the ‘unhappy’ ones. I better stop using the forum then, since I am ‘happy’ with the Maw where can I post about that - is there a ‘happy people’ forum?
No, no, no. When unhappy players are being unreasonable, happy players are happy (pun) to correct them. Vocally. Moreover, when unhappy players are being unreasonable, usually they are unreasonable about different things, and they correct each other.
The forums and the reddits are representative of the game as a whole, both happy and unhappy or whatever. For general strokes, they absolutely are.
BFA was a bad expansion compared to others. SL is also a bad expansion compared to others. Legion was a good expansion compared to others. That’s general strokes. They are true.
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its kinda proven at this point its a small population that actually use anything to give feedback on the game, its also a minority that even do the current game and dont sit in previous expansions for their legit entire time in WoW .
this forum doesnt have “happy players”
it has the Unhappy players and the players that feel a immediate requirement to defend everything.
u dont get ur Geninue Happy just log on each day and do they thing for fun come onto the forums realistically.
Seeing, reading, hearing the complaints. They’re not made for nothing.
(most) People don’t complain just to complain. There’s a reason for complaining.
Neh. Loads of people feel ‘obligated’ to do it. Because they don’t want to fall behind others, don’t want to be benched etc. In other words; peer pressure.
Sure, there’s people, like myself, who won’t succumb to such pressure and just refuse to do the content, but that’s usually a minority.
So yeah, there will be people in the Maw. Doesn’t mean they LIKE being there though.
And yes, of course there’s also people who DO genuinely like that place. Ofc.
Most people don’t like poking themselves with glowing hot needles, but there’s always some ‘strange’ people who do.
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well no u ge tthe ones trying to defend it permanantly but we arent really making threads with how “happy we are” we just comment on the posts Disagreeing with the Posters lol.
i see RARELY ever someone posting “positive posts” and generally whjen they are made… its just to deflect some of the complaints as u can immediately see from the wording.
Yes, only a minority give feedback. That minority includes happy players. But none of this even matters, because as I said, unhappy players correct each other when they are being unreasonable. Even if all forum dwellers were unhappy (it’s not the case, it’s much more complex, everyone is both happy and unhappy about different things), forums would give a good approximation. Of the general strokes, as I said.
The whole presentation last night was just a cheap undergraduate powepoint presentation with only artwork. No gameplay footage, no animation.
From various interviews done by Ion, product lead, devs, all we have are PR talks
- we are discussing them
- no comments at this stage
- I “believe” it will be how it works, but I need to confirm
- Go to PTR and let us know how to fix these borrowed systems
So basically answered no questions and no details released and confirmed.
I did not have high hope at all since I already unsubbed a few months back and time expires around mid april.
More maw and torghast just do not give me the will to play more and I am afraid I might need to do certain attunement things there to get to the new zone, megadungeon and even raid. Let alone refarm new upgrade for maw and torghast, then lego, etc.
More or less the grind but with new currency and similar things
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