Blizzcon - A disappointment?

[Naxxos-azjolnerub (Naxxos)]

@Tahra-earthen-ring

Doesn’t mean they LIKE doing it though.

How do you know, have you asked them all? You are just extrapolating from your own (valid) thoughts and experiences. ‘I don’t like something, anyone else doing it must not like it too and are being forced to’

I say again people only really come onto platforms like this to complain, it gives us all a warped view of how things are. There is a silent majority that never come on here or other sites that are just playing the game.

I get some people don’t like the Maw and can understand that, what I take exception to is sweeping unsubstantiated statements that ‘the majority’ or ‘everybody’ doesn’t something.

[Noriana-twilights-hammer]

@Altimate-runetotem

Not to mention class balancing which is not on their radar!

That’s right, but i didn’t include did because they wouldn’t announce balance changes too early, 9.05->9.1

[Mellinora-argent-dawn (Mellinora)]

@Naxxos-azjolnerub

I say again people only really come onto platforms like this to complain, it gives us all a warped view of how things are. There is a silent majority that never come on here or other sites that are just playing the game.

I answered this, eg, here:

Blizzcon - A disappointment?

No, no, no. When unhappy players are being unreasonable, happy players are happy (pun) to correct them. Vocally. Moreover, when unhappy players are being unreasonable, usually they are unreasonable about different things, and they correct each other. The forums and the reddits are representative of the game as a whole, both happy and unhappy or whatever. For general strokes, they absolutely are. BFA was a bad expansion compared to others. SL is also a bad expansion compared to others. Legion …

and here:

Blizzcon - A disappointment?

Yes, only a minority give feedback. That minority includes happy players. But none of this even matters, because as I said, unhappy players correct each other when they are being unreasonable. Even if all forum dwellers were unhappy (it’s not the case, it’s much more complex, everyone is both happy and unhappy about different things), forums would give a good approximation. Of the general strokes, as I said.

The opinion of the silent majority roughly coincides with that of the forum. There is no discrepancy. It is a myth that such a discrepancy exists.

[Volamix-tarren-mill]

There are balancing, but they are trying very hard to use covenant, lego, soulbinds to balance the classes instead of the actual class balance.

This just shows they have no clue what most playerbase want and they just keep doubling down with the borrowed systems.

[Nivmie-draenor]

yeah wow announcements were a huge let down for me but at least we’re getting diablo 2 remastered and few updates on d4.

At this point I truly believe wow cannot be saved. At least not by people who are in charge of blizzard atm. Sadly.

[Tahra-earthen-ring (Tahra)]

@Naxxos-azjolnerub

How do you know, have you asked them all?

Again; common sense.
I was giving examples of why there would be people there. Of course not everyone dislikes being there, but on the flip-side… plenty WILL dislike being there and are just doing it because they feel they have to.

@Naxxos-azjolnerub

I say again people only really come onto platforms like this to complain, it gives us all a warped view of how things are. There is a silent majority that never come on here or other sites that are just playing the game.

Yes and no.
I’ve used the silent majority ‘excuse’ to on occasions when discussing Titanforging. However, Blizzard still removed it; because there were complaints.

Same with this. Blizzard see enough complaints, they’ll act. That’s how it works.
Being silent doesn’t help.

@Naxxos-azjolnerub

I get some people don’t like the Maw and can understand that, what I take exception to is sweeping unsubstantiated statements that ‘the majority’ or ‘everybody’ doesn’t something.

I get that. And I didn’t make any majority or everybody claims.
I’m trying to keep an open mind, but the fact of the matter is, is that there’s a substantial number of complaints. So that means that there ARE issues.

[Trelw-alleria (Trelw)]

@Trelw-alleria

momentum has continued through January with the player base sosignificantly larger than it was a year ago, while Classic

@Mellinora: He is comparing WoW retail in January 2021 to WoW retail in January 2020 and then proceeds to speak about Classic community. Admittedly, his latter comment is indeed imprecise, it does not tell us what his comparison point is based on or in other words, he is speaking generally as retail + Classic is obviously more than retail alone before Classic launched.

@Mellinora-argent-dawn

SL is doing like all other expansions of recent did. It had a lower base than BFA did. It had a peak with the subsequent fast decline that is even more pronounced than in BFA. And we are continuing to fall. G effing G.

Ehhh, false on the lower base part. When WCR still functioned properly the lowest recorded point in activity in the past several years was in May of 2018, several months before BfA was launched. Unless Blizzard blantanly (and in fact, illegally) lied to their investors in multiple quarterly reports, we have not dropped below that level since.

But, I think we should just wait until they release the official statements for Q1 of 2021 and look at what it says about relative values compared to previous quarter(s) and / or Q1 of 2020 specifically. I am sure there will be some comparison to something.

[Naxxos-azjolnerub (Naxxos)]

@Tahra-earthen-ring

I get that. And I didn’t make any majority or everybody claims.
I’m trying to keep an open mind, but the fact of the matter is, is that there’s a substantial number of complaints. So that means that there ARE issues.

That we can agree on, my reply was not specifically directed at you, I read the statement on this thread (and a few others) several times that everyone hates the Maw and Torghast I am simply trying to add balance to that. Not everyone dislikes the Maw and/or Torghast even though if you spend enough time on these forums you could reasonably come to the conclusion that they do. I do agree though Blizzard do need to listen to people and ask them why and try to accommodate them in changes (mounting is coming for example) . But you will never please everybody.

Anyway back to the Maw (character number 5 or 5 for today)

[Tahra-earthen-ring (Tahra)]

@Trelw-alleria

we have not dropped below that level since.

[Daddydevil-runetotem]

@Mellinora-argent-dawn

The opinion of the silent majority roughly coincides with that of the forum. There is no discrepancy. It is a myth that such a discrepancy exists.

Wouldnt entirely agree, just because you dislike it and they dont say otherwise doesnt mean they agree

also the back and fourth on Torghast pretty much shows it to be the marmite of WoW. there doesnt seemto be much middle opinon on it xD

[Durham-sylvanas]

@Jito-turalyon

It’s just taking the chef forever to prepare the dish. So we’re sipping water in the meantime!

that’s really a good thing, Cyberpunk (and many others besides) are testament to that, and yes, it was a flipping crime when they stopped putting breadsticks on the restaurant tables…

[Volamix-tarren-mill]

From the recent annoucement made like loot change comparing to just like 2 months ago when Ion said “current loot situation is overly positive and he thinks all systems worked successfully in general”, I do believe there are a signifiant shift of things.

Specially you think loot increase in raid is a hotfix and they give the new M+ currrency same name as “valor”, I think the desperation is quite clear that something touched their bottom line and they have to act immediately.

[Tahra-earthen-ring (Tahra)]

@Naxxos-azjolnerub

Anyway back to the Maw (character number 5 or 5 for today)

[Naxxos-azjolnerub (Naxxos)]

@Tahra-earthen-ring

@Naxxos-azjolnerub

Anyway back to the Maw (character number 5 or 5 for today)

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Don’t be I enjoy it.

[Tahra-earthen-ring (Tahra)]

@Naxxos-azjolnerub

Don’t be I enjoy it.

[Volamix-tarren-mill]

I think EU forum is an overall chill or “meh” vibe in general, but if you check the tone in US forum, it is almost all negative comparing to even just like early Jan.

Sure not every wow player will visit forum or post on forum since there are other platforms these days for feedback like social media, youtube and such.

But the reality might be people who care to actually leave a feedback to be the ones who actually care and love/hate the game more than someone who easily moved on to something else.

When Sl launchs, WoW had an average of maybe 400k viewers (best was like 1M), now most days it sits around 35k ish. The majority of “hyper” are long gone.

I get someone loves SL either itself or comparing with BFA or WoD or any expansion, but dont get offended or take it personal. The ones who provide negatives here might be the one who love/loved the game dearly in the past.

[Jito-turalyon (Jito)]

@Durham-sylvanas

that’s really a good thing

Normally, yes. Normally Blizzard are just slow because they’re meticulous. That’s great. It results in quality games.

This time though it seems as if they’re slow because of external factors outside their own control, that are impacting their way of work in a negative way by slowing it down and making it take longer.

COVID-19, forest fires, working from home, zoom meetings, sickness, and so on.

Most of it is likely familiar to all of us by now, but it still sucks!

If it was a normal year, then we’d already have patch 9.0.5 now and they’d throw patch 9.1 on the PTR tomorrow!

But it’s not a normal year. I’m almost certain I’ll appreciate Blizzard’s final products (I almost always do), but the wait is long. And I think it’s okay to say that waiting sucks.

[Daddydevil-runetotem]

@Volamix-tarren-mill

I think EU forum is an overall chill or “meh” vibe in general, but if you check the tone in US forum, it is almost all negative comparing to even just like early Jan.

tbh… majority of them dont touch any site… because they dont play current expansion content so they dont actually know the issues to begin with.

ALOT of players actual;ly play 1 expansion behind so they can see the content as a Solo player.

however im on US Forums and there aint that much… theres a few posts from Solo players complaining. as expected… however it isnt “all negative”

except Classic Servers, they are PEEVED AF.

every solo player in current content will complain thats factual and they have every right to. this game Offers them absolutely nothing this expansion.

this wasnt a “Slight cut” from open world content… They’ve Rendered the entire thing optional therefore Ignorable.

but thatts a Point where we have to accept its Players of a Common interest making their voice heard and Not the community itself.

ur Heroic/Mythic raiders arent gonna complain about World Content
urt high M+ Key pushers wont complain about world content.
Ur Dungeon / Raid grinders wont complain about world content

because its there Orginal complaints from legion and BFA that got the game to this point they effectively got what they wanted.

remember, BOTH legion and BFA by forums were LARGELY considered negative aswell.

this is a Point People miss, the whole “silent majority doesnt agree” isnt a Myth, because its the NOW silent majority that got what they wanted through their complaints last expansion.

Throughout BFA via the forums i had almost memorized every name of the players complaining, because it was the same 50 people posting Continously and The further Extra 100 or 200 players in their comments.

They arent present here because there complaints Pushed for this game direction and they’ve achieved that.

Same as Void form. it got to the stage it was spammed through over 600 Posts on US Forums with the title “DELETE VOIDFORM”. rthe moment they did it… how many new names got on the forums and started screeching?

Blizzard Push their game in a Different direction every expansion. And each expansion we have a Portyion of the playerbase screeching on forums,

that’l;l never change… WoW has reached the point they cant Appease the playerbase with 1 direction

Reward all paths - Al;l paths angry at each other
Reward the “hardest” Path - the other 2 paths mad.
Increase Loot - half the playerbase mad
Decrease loot - the other half the playerbase mad
make content harder - half the playerbase mad
Make content eaiser - other half of the playerbase mad

blizzard cannot win, regardless to what. it isnt a excuse and yeah its there own fault… they Changed the direction of the game too many times at this point so they have attracted players of too many demands now.

[Ussrainblood-doomhammer (Ussrainblood)]

I am most happy about that Blizzcon especially the way they handled TBC classic, finally we put bad beef aside and I can wet my beak a little so I am gonna prepare outland await once more !

You pass and get more sub money Blizzard $$$.

[Nigom-magtheridon]

@Trelw-alleria

When WCR still functioned properly

Um when did it ever work properly xD never trust these greens