Blood DK doing as much healing as me, am I doing something wrong?

I never said he was automatically bad. Rusty, maybe? Needs more gear, maybe?

All I am simply saying is - Blood Dks aren’t going to be topping the overall healing meters over a healer (especially in bursting week) and if they are being outhealed, they are either very bad or severely undergeared in comparison to the DK.

I don’t know how I can make it anymore easier to understand :smiley:

So I asked for advice, and all you’ve done is bash me / flex about your own achievements but gave 0 advice…

I get my gear is trash, I do pre-hot every fight, and I’ve had 0 tank deaths in my runs, the issue is my numbers seem insanely low, I know the abilities I’m using and prehotting etc… but it seems that my gear in it’s current state, as to what you say you are pushing on your druid, should’nt be adding up to over double my healing…

I’m wanting to know like, is essences a big thing, if so what essences should I be using, not just “Don’t blame other classes” Which i’m not. I’m asking for advice, this isn’t a hate thread.

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I’m scared for you if you think that was bashing. :crazy_face:

If a runs goes smoothly and you also don’t have deaths, your healing will be lower than in a crappy run. If you have to heal less, you can do more damage, which makes the run go even better.

I’d say play with a different tank class and see how that goes.

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Yeah I will try see how that goes, I didn’t know prior to this thread that DK’s healing was as high as it is, that it isn’t me being purely trash geared etc. I was thinking that if a DK is healing this much then what chance do I stand healing other classes, but I guess they take less damage than DK’s, DK’s just make up for it in healing

Yes, they are a big thing, but which ones you choose is largely up to you, the group you’re in, your gear, the affixes, the dungeon, the key level. I experiment a lot with them and change them a lot. You can look at the M+ guides at Wowhead and Icy-Veins, but those are just starting points.

Talents are a similar subject. There are standard setups, but they are not ideal for every situation. There is personal preference, too. I see you use the tree. It’s tempting to do, but I found that Cultivation works better for me. I also used Germination a bit this week, but I would generally recommend Photosynthesis instead because Germination just takes too many GCDs. Just try out everything, see what works for you. The resto druid steamer I watch (Gigabob at bobplaysthegames on Twitch) uses all sorts of crazy talent setups and changes them often. (Utterly depressing for me how much damage he pumps out, but also inspiring!)

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We can only heal ourselves, gives healers more time to heal dingbats who insist on “oooh hot!! shiny!! that’ll warm my toes up!!”

hey you’re on fire!

“Aye but my feet are toasty!!”

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When someone does not understand what this healing means, looks numbers in meters and makes forum post.

Seriously take some time to understand how blood dk works before making such posts.

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this basically.
only times I outhealed healers in dungeons as bdk was when my healer was semi-afk or utterly awful

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Have a little peek here if you haven’t as a starting point:

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/restoration-druid-pve-healing-mythic-plus-tips

It’s not as bad as you’re presenting it, the dks self healing is their mitigation. The more damage they take, the more they heal, death strike’s healing is based on the damage taken in the last 5 seconds, if none it defaults to a flat %.

Blood dk isn’t really intuitive if you’re not familiar with them. They can self heal to immense levels if they know how to, most won’t.

And the reason you got that reply is because blood dks have been given grief over their self healing capacities for years. It becomes very easy to assume that someone is just seeing healy numbers and raging about it when in actuality it’s far more in depth than ‘tank do big heal!’. And considering all the crap dks have had thrown at them since wrath, we’re sick of it. So don’t take it to personally if you see a dk lash out now and then.

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Calling people moron wont get u anywhere though :smirk:

Anyways, yes dk tanks do alot of selfhealing. Just do more runs, try out different talents and essences and corruption when u get it. Find out what azerite traits to aim for. Its all about practice and gear and also depends alot on rest of the group. Sometimes i have to heal my behind off in +5’s, other times i can spend time doing dps instead of heals in +12’s. The whole group and their skill matters aswell. Its not just «bad healer or good tank».

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I completely understand, thank you for being rational :slight_smile: as I say it wasn’t a hate thread, just they’re not as tanky and if you converted say a warriors tankiness to heals you’d see similar numbers if you get what I mean, this is just my first time really playing a healer class, so when I saw it I thought I’m doing something wrong, I changed up my spec did the +8, and still the same so I thought I’d ask for any advice, and just got a few ragers :confused:

Appreciate your response though! :smiley:

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Oversimplified example with false numbers :
100k incoming dmg ,warr and pala will block 50k and you need to heal 50k to fill them up
other 4 selfhealing tanks will take 100k dmg self heal 50k and you fill them up for 50k :stuck_out_tongue:

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All tanks have a lot selfhealing at this point, if there is no big group wide damage and/or dps have big selfsustain tanks can easily top metters, it doesn’t mean tank “outhealed”, it only means there was little external healing required.
One has to be completely dumb to blaim healer for being outhealed by tank. To do healing there should be damage first.

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Am unfortunate reality here, very few people consider a middle ground. Things seem to be one of two extremes. A few do continue to show that rationality but it’s rare, appreciate, but rare.

Holy moly you are full of yourself. What if a healer doesn’t need to heal at all because the group knows what they are doing? How wouldn’t a dk outheal the healer then? Of course it can happen!

edit: I started playing in wrath (yes, wrath baby) and when I got a dk (for raiding) I always got a heartattack first second if I didn’t think about that fact. Their health would go up and down so bad and you as a healer were left wondering if this dk would actually heal themselves up or not, as casting was slow (with bad, hasteless gear, admittedly) so you had to plan your cast on it. As a druid I didn’t have the luxury of many reactive spells and regrowth would oom badly.

It was at times as bad as the health dropping to 10% and then up to 80% or so again. Absolutely terrifying xD.

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Oh my, can I get an autograph? You seem like the best player ever.

Remember that especially in decent level Keys (or preferably any level key), you want your healer to contribute with as much dmg as he Can aswell, so you cant judge a healers preformance from purely hps numbers in a key \o/

Only person bashing is you, AND I gave you plenty of advice on how to play a druid. Considering you’re rusty/new I’m giving you the complete basics.

I guess? I never said I was the best healer in the world, I simply said playing all of them for 10+ years may allow me to add considering I have some form of experience? No need to get some superiority complex whenever someone is confident in their abilities to do something.