Blood elves belong in the Horde

its not hard to read and speaking of someone who font use grammar take a look at your own comment instead…

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Yeah well if you do know that then you are aware of that what i said is accurate and what you said was incorrect. Yes i do have evidence of it and if you would have read it you would have seen it so ones again you prove my point. And yes it does class as an insult as you are saying it just to be rude and annoy me when you know that i know the lore but hey if thats not an insult then what i been calling you then is no insult either as that is just pointing out something obvious. Cause calling someone a troll and mocking my knowledge is insulting and you do it even after i told you to stop doing it and that is and insult when someone gets insulted incase you have a hard time understanding what an insult is. And no i didnt dodge it as i have proven several times by answering it so yes you reading comprehension is as good as a goldfish memorie, Your welcome. Yes i can as i already have several time for you so use scroll up and you see the answere as i have already answered it several times. Also reading the responds you get instead of repeating the same thing again without even looking at the respond you get like a child would also be usefull “not an insult just a helpfull advice”

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Let’s be honest here, even if Void elves were not given we would’ve continued to ask anyway (as we have been doing for 15 years)

Now Our numbers are increasing, not decreasing. :wink:

Thalassian elves :white_check_mark:

Skins :white_check_mark:

Blue eyes :white_check_mark:

Now all that’s missing is a few hair colors to complete the “look”

‘someone’

won’t.

As you are criticising other’s grammar, I just thought I would point that out.

No, I aware that what I said was lore correct, what you said was not.

No, I shouldn’t have to explain this, but one is saying that someone does not have knowledge of a specific subject is not an insult, I have explained how twice now. Calling someone a moron or (redacted) or a dumba$$ is however an insult directly, as those are personal and direct insults.

You have directly insulted several people in this thread, and offered nothing of any contribution towards it.

No. It is not, an insult has to be directly given to an individual or a group of people. Calling someone a troll is not an insult, it is simply a signifier that their behaviour is unacceptable, also I was not ‘mocking’ your knowledge, I was saying you did not know it, which isn’t actually an insult.

Oh I perfectly know what an insult is, and I explained twice to you why I had not insulted you. Allow me to give you the definition.

“To speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse:”

Saying someone does not know something does not fit that description, unless you are deliberately mocking them, You however, have insulted people several times, quite a lot in fact, in this thread, not just myself, but also those who have never insulted you.

And again with the insults, my my, You haven’t answered it once. Every time you are asked for proof you scurry away and say “I already told you!” “No, you did not, what did you say?” “I’m not telling you!”

Why are you so afraid of repeating things you say are true? Surely if they are truths, you would not be afraid?

I think we all know why.

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I wonder if the real reason High Elves went to the Horde is that Blizzard already during vanilla knew that they were going to make a Draenor/past Outland with Draenei and Frostwolf Orcs. And since they knew Horde fans never would accept any orcs on the Alliance side, we got Draenei instead. And that automatically gave the Blood Elves to the Horde as the other race that became available with TBC.

This also made it possible for Blizzard to strengthen the Horde’s position in northern Eastern Kingdoms and strengthen the Alliance’s position in northern Kalimdor for the sake of geographical balance.

Lorewise however Blood Elves makes no sense as they are rebranded High Elves with no positive relation to the Horde whatsoever. So Blizzard made them smirky and arrogant just to at least give them some traits that fits with the Horde.

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This is pretty much a disingenuous. Your avatar is one of the most-requested races in the game which also got their back-update with it AND all heritage armor colorizations while everyone else just got one (and with the LFD having some real issues here). The blue-eyes option and helves have been requested perhaps as long as the Mag’har Orcs and yet the Alliance gets shafted again while only the Horde can have a true Helf-experience.

What was the actual purpose of your posting if I may ask?

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I doubt they think -that- far ahead, I mean that was at least a decade ago, and a completely different writing team, We’d already seen both Blood Elves and Eredar (so basically Draenei) before WoW was even released, back in the old RTS games

That’s possible, but more likely is simply that when they decided Blood Elves would go Horde, they had to make Quel’thalas explorable (Which it wasn’t in Classic, but was in the RTS) and add Azuremyst and Bloodmyst isles. Because that makes sense. Two islands that close to their shore and the Night Elves never thought of going “Shall we colonise them? No one else lives there…”

Sure they do, Their lore starts in WCIII, which is when they rename themselves as Blood Elves

You’re right that they are rebranded High Elves, I mean that is literally what they are. High Elves who renamed themselves Blood Elves to honour the fallen after the Scourge invasion. Their relationship with the Horde is more a response to Alliance aggression. They are smart enough to realise that Thrall’s Horde was different from the Orcs that attacked Quel’thalas during the Second War, and smart enough to realise the differences between Amani and Darkspear (I mean they -physically- look different) The Tauren were not involved in that because the Horde hadn’t even met them yet, and the Forsaken didn’t even exist in the Second War. So of the Horde races, the only one they were ever at war with was the Orcs, and as I say, Thrall’s Orcs were very different to the ones who rampaged through Quel’thalas.

On the other Hand, when it comes to the Alliance (With whom they were neutral) The Humans did the dirty on them in the form of Garithos and his army, I love how people try to say “But he was one racist” “Really, is racism a superpower? Does it allow one man to arrest an entire army and it’s Archmage leader?” Nah, that was Garithos’s army as well as him, so yeah, Humans did over the Blood Elves. Then We have the Human kingdom of Dalaran, who were perfectly cool with the impending executions, again, humans, Then we have a Dwarven spy collating information, taken from the body of a Night Elf saboteur, who was just one member of a Night Elf incursion of quite some size, backed up by naval assets. So really, the Alliance kind of drove the Blood Elves into the Horde, the same as they would later do to the Nightborne and the Vulpera. They really need to work on their diplomancy!

You pretty much described all of Wow’s elves, and you’re right, Warcraft Elves are smirky, and arrogant as all hells.

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he was the one criticising me even when he could not spell so i dont care about your poiners that you make just to be rude. No you are not as you are not lore correct wich i have proven you because what i said was correct so clearly you dont know it. Yes it is an insult to criticise someones knowedge and calling someone a troll when you are the one who is actually are incorrect on the subject and you have not explained it even ones. Yes exactly a direct insult you are making direct insult by mocking my knowledge an you are directly calling me a troll when i have proven you that im not. And likemi told you i havent insulted anyone who have started by insulting me first like you do over and over so clearly you prove that what i called you is not an insult but just a accurate description. And yes it is an insult to call someone a troll when they are not like i already made clear to you so like i wrote in my last comment if its not an insult that you call me a troll then the thing i wrote is no more of an insult as it actually describes you. And yes you did mock my knowledge considering you say that i dont know what im talking about especially after i have proven that i know the lore better than you and you still make insult about me not knowing things. And no clearly you dont know what an insult is because you have insulted me from the start and yes that exactly it as you are deliberately mocking when im telling you that im not a troll and have even proven you wrong. And no i havent insulted anyone else thatv haven t insulted me first so clearly you are really slwo as i keep havuing to repeat myself for you as you dont seem to be able to understand thing that a normal person would have understand to begin with when someone explains it to you. And no that isnt an insult and i havent didged it either are you really this because i have already answered it and i told you to read the comments when i respond to you are you really this dense? read the comments you are the only one acting afraid as you refuse to see the evidence that people give to you over and over so again you have proven that the things i said is a description of you and not a insult.

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Hello sir, may I introduce you to the world of paragraphs?

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I don’t understand, what, out of all this would possibly make it vague as to why the Blood Elves clearly belong in the Horde and who in their right mind would think they should have stayed with the Alliance after the way things went down.

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Yeah, it is a bit bizarre, I mean the reasons existed as far back as WCIII, I mean what would be stranger, was after all that, they -had- rejoined the Alliance. I mean if someone punches you in the face twenty years ago, but since has changed their ways, are you more or less likely to be friends with them than if someone punches you last week, and kicks you whilst you’re down, and when you get up and say “Look, we can be mates again, lets talk about this” They say “Sure, lets enter into talks” Then punches you in the face again? Blood Elves being in the Alliance makes no sense.

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Oh trust me, chap, if I wanted to be rude, you’d know about it

So despite the lore reasons I have detailed for you, your stance is “I’m right because I say I am!”

Actually it is only insulting if you think it makes them a lesser person. People know different things, that is just how it is. I probably know how to do my job better than you, and you probably know how to do your job better than me. Doesn’t make either of us a lesser person. Also I have explained myself precisely twice in this thread as to why they belong in the Horde, actually, no, I correct myself, three times now.

No it isn’t. It is only an insult to criticise someone’s knowledge if it is a subject everyone should know. Very few subjects fit those criteria, as everyone has different skillsets. I don’t know how to drive a car, I also cannot learn to do so legally as I have severe epilepsy, most of my friends do know how to drive cars, they don’t criticise me for my inability to drive.

Similarly not everyone knows the lore, some know bits, some just don’t care. That’s not a criticism pointing that out.

Yes, I did say that, because the particular post you had just made had all the hallmarks of someone who was trolling. You know the saying, “If it walks like a duck, and looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably -is- a duck”. -That- is why I called you a Troll.

Do you know what the dictionary definition of a moron is? Someone with an IQ between 50 and 70. Someone with an IQ between 50 and 70 would not be able to involve themselves in this conversation. I also happen to have had an IQ test as part of Officer training, I can quite safely say I do not classify as a Moron, far from it, but I’m not going to brag about what my score was here.

Which particular insult that you have paid me is the one that describes me? There -are- quite a few to pick from? Which one?

But you haven’t, that’s the point, you just keep saying “They don’t belong because I think they don’t belong”

And here we go with the insults again.

Oh, and another Insult. Oh, and it isn’t ‘people’, it’s just you at this point, and are you implying that I am -subnormal-? Because that is a fairly bold claim to make. They have a word for it in German, ‘Untermensch’ It was all the rage in the 1940’s, but I don’t want to Godwin this discussion.

You are objectively wrong, and I have stated three times why. You have just said “they don’t belong because I say so” which isn’t really an argument now is it?

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you are rude so i already know it. No it the otherway aroudn i have given you prrof from the lore and you pretends you can see the comment and acts like a child just because you cant handle being wrong. No it dont only makes it so if you think it makes you a lesser person as you are being rude when you know it dont fit in on me as iam not a troll. Also when i called you soemthing i never said that those thing makes you less of person only that it describes you as i have shown to be right on so you contradict what you say yourself then i i dont think the words i used make anyone less of a person. And yes you have given you “opinion” on why you think they belong and i have proven to you that they dont belong with facts from lore that shows why you are wrong countless of times. Yes it is a an insult as i have proven that i know it and then you keep making accusation that i dont even after proven that i know it thats an insult.Yes you did call me directly a troll but i didnt have any hallmarks as i was serious in what i said and even have facts behind the thing i said so if anything you are trolling me by constantly making insult by calling me atroll when you have proof on that im not perhaps it would be usefull for you to look up what being a troll means.Yes i do know the dictionary definition of it and if i keep having to repeat the same answer in every second comment i made just because you cant read the responds you get then that is an accurate description and not an insult. Yes i have proven that i i know it better and again I HAVE NEVER ONES SAID “They don’t belong because I think they don’t so here again you are making a personal insult against me by making up lies about things that i have never said. And no it wasnt another her we go with insults as i have repeated myself several times so you just proves my point there that you dont read the responds. And no its not another insult as you dont read the repsond even when asking for them and get repsond so ones again you proves that its not an insult but an accurate description.

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Think you’ll find I have been perfectly civil, even after you started insulting my intelligence.

No you haven’t! That is my point, you have not given me any lore stating why they do not belong, and I think you’ll find I can quite accept being wrong, I have been proven wrong on these forums on occasion and have went “Yeah, fair enough, you’re actually right on this matter” On this matter however, I am right.

I was describing how insults work, in particular insulting someone’s intelligence.

I have given lore facts as to why they do, and you can see them again just a few posts up.

I said it once. That is hardly -constantly- now is it?

So you -are- insulting my intelligence then? If you know the dictionary definition of it, how on earth can you think you are not insulting me by using that term. You are implying that my IQ is between 50 and 70, and now you are doubling down on it by saying it is an accurate description? If I had an IQ in that bracket we would not even be having this conversation as it is highly unlikely I would be able to comprehend it, and moreover respond to it, it is two grades away from the average if you’re talking 70 and three grades away from the average if fifty, which is around 100 according to most psychologists. My IQ is quite far above 100, but I’m not going to brag about that. Language plays a factor. If I were to take an IQ test in Spanish I would likely score very low, as I do not speak the language (Hence it can only be accurately reflected if a test is taken in your native tongue)

Nor have you given any lore reason why they do not belong. I have read your responses, and they are all your -opinions- and not facts. Seriously, read my post a few posts up and then come back and refute my points.

So you are again insulting my intelligence?

Also, paragraph your replies please, it will make them easier to understand.

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No you havent been civil at all as you are the one who started making the insults so suit yourself when you started it. Yes i have given you stating from the lore an you know it and clearly you cant accept being wrong as i have proven you wrong several times and right away you go back to your immature behavior by pretending that you cant read comments when people provide you with the evidence. Well if you did decribe it then you would be well aware of that you have been insulting me when calling me a troll and mocking my knowledge so ones again you just contradict yourself. And no you havent proven it from lore just from your opinion since if you look at lore you can see that they dont belong with horde. And like i just told you i didnt insult your intelligence i gave an accurate description and this just proves it one again that it is accurate as i have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again. Yes i have given you lore reason several time like i have said to you already try reading for ones. And no i didnt insult your intelligense again it was an accurate description it even says so right there so ones again tryb reading the respond when people give you answeres to you questions…

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Come on, it’s time to admit defeat at one point.

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He wont trust me… he believes he is right. He does not realise that he is wrong sadly enough…

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Yeah i also think its time Brigante admits defeat as he cant prove anything

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i dont believe im right i know iam its you who is stuck believing something that is wrong

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Have I referred to you as a moron, or a (Redacted), slow of thinking and unable to read? No, I have not. Have you said that about me? Yes, you have.

No, you have not, and you have not prove me wrong, nor provided any evidence.

Except I was not mocking you, I was suggesting that you did not know Blood Elf lore, as to why they fit in the Horde. Which is fine, that is not belittling you, I’m not an expert on Orc lore.

Oh but I have, the lore backs me up on this, as to why they do.

You called me a moron, said I was slow, and that I could not read, as well as a term meaning someone is backwards, beginning with ‘R’, I think all of those class as insulting someone’s intelligence.

No, you have not, and you now aver that it is an accurate description, which -is- an insult to my intelligence.

That isn’t true now, is it? I will admit, my patience is running out with you, but I have remained civil and given lore facts, you have not remained civil, and have not given lore facts.

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