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Fun fact about Arthas and Garithos, they were from Lordaeron. Wanna guess who else is from there ?
Here are the facts:
- Both Blood Elves and Void Elves are High Elves. High Elf, i.e. Quel’dorei, is their species. The rest comes down to political, cultural, ethical and philosophical preferences, as well as varying degrees of magical mutations. They’re all still High Elves. A Void Elf is a High Elf afflicted with Shadow magic, and a Blood Elf is a High Elf afflicted with Fel magic (although the term is also more generally used to describe the High Elves of Quel’thalas after the invasion of their homeland, whether fel-infused or not). For the record, a San’layn is a High Elf afflicted with Death magic.
- Blood Elves can keep Silvermoon and Quel’thalas for all I care, it’s a reasonable perk to those Horde players who feel like a part of their identity is being watered down with the introduction of pale skins for Void Elves.
- All that said, however, it would make more sense for all Quel’Dorei to become Neutral, and this includes both Blood Elves and Void Elves. Their kinship to each other is much stronger than their various allegiances to Horde and Alliance, and if anything, extreme Shadow or Fel worship should lead to exile whether you like to hang out with Orcs or Humans. That should be an intra-Quel’dorei matter, not a foreign affairs issue.
- For the record, it’s bloody dumb that Blood Elves are still on the Horde. They were their own people for thousands of years, and cooperated with various Alliance races for hundreds if not thousands of years in different ways. Were they mistreated horribly in their time of need, and did it kind of make sense for them to seek emergency shelter within the Horde, a faction of renegades and outcasts? Yes. But does it make sense for them to remain on the Horde and continue slaughtering their neighbours in the Eastern Kingdoms now that the dust from Arthas’ campaign has settled and Silvermoon is rebuilt? Hell no. They have virtually nothing in common with the Horde, culturally, philosophically, aesthetically, architecturally, or anything else. They probably don’t eat the same food, enjoy the same entertainment or even use the same basic materials in construction. What about trade? What could the Horde possibly have to offer for the Blood Elves? Nothing, now that they no longer require immediate protection. Let’s not even begin to look into the complete defilement of the lands around Quel’thalas by the Forsaken, or Sylvanas’ disregard for life. What about the Goblins’ utter destruction of the environment and general crude ways of approaching matters? Then we have the often forgotten fact that the Orcs, Trolls and Goblins actually waged war against the various races of the Eastern Kingdoms some thirty years ago. Somehow that wound was healed and forgotten within a few years, but Garithos’ racism could never be forgiven? Shortly put, Quel’thalas should become neutral. If you must, then let playable Void Elves and Blood Elves remain within the Alliance and the Horde. Let them represent the extreme fringe of High Elven society, those few individuals who refuse to budge and are steeped in their Shadow or Fel addiction. The radical militants.
imagine getting camped by bloodelfs for 13 years then still crying to make them join ur team
alliance has seen better days
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Jesus christ alliance players. Ok, belf paladins kicked butt in BC. Just, let it go!
So much salt.
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I know right? Pathetic.
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Truth to be told. Sylvanas was there not the Horde. If it wasn’t for her the blood elves wouldn’t be in the Horde. Idk why people say the Horde were there for them in BC, that’s not true. Sylvanas sent her forsaken to help them out of love for her former homeland but not because of the Horde.
IDK why this debate even exists in 2020. Come on, there are so many races available.
I could understand Vanilla WoW players wanting a good looking humanoid race on Horde side, as originally they only had those ‘savage’ races. They got BEs in 2007, 13 yrs ago. And that was a good call, it was by far the most popular horde race for a long time.
Why would you cry for those HEs on alliance so long? Night elves look good. Void elves too, i still prefer NE’s tho. VE models are too small for my taste, esp females. Transmog doesn’t look good. I think NE female physique is the best player character model in WOW. No, i do not play bimbo mogs, i transmog full armors. Which just look good and fit well on NE body.
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The reason why players wanted High elves is because of lore not model or eye color. They were part of the original Alliance which goes back to Warcraft 2. Many people were actually ok if Blizzard re-designed the high elf models. I also wanted High elves, but I’m at peace now that void elves are getting the options (which hopefully contains hair color options and if not it would be worse than if they didn’t add them)
Edit: this void elf though isn’t losing her blue skin and hair, although her eyes might go purple or white
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how many times have the blood elves considered joining the alliance so far? XD cant be that happy Kappa
We don’t want those traitors We want high elves who are apart of the alliance.
Don’t call people Pathetic because I smell hypocrisy xD
if horde gets murloc u can have it
Arthas should have finished what he started.
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I mean sure you can have murlocs but the alliance have high elves already in their ranks only not playeble yet.
Since they were named Blood Elves?
I’m going with once, when Garrosh was blatantly using them as Cannon Fodder, but in a weird echoing of fate, this one human just had to throw their toys out of the pram and ‘arrest everyone’, so the Blood Elves went “Nope”
Thats actually proof that the Blood Elves -can- be reasoned with, unlike utterly savage monsters, but equally you have to actually -do- the politics, and not start butchering them when they enter into talks just because one of them committed a nebulous crime.
Lets go with some lore details here, as ever, do read my comments with the internal voice of good natured sarcasm, because thats the spirit in which I write 'em.
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Get this dumb idea out of your heads that the High Elves ‘belong’ to the Alliance. This isn’t Tolkien, or other fantasy franchises. Elves aren’t necessarily ‘nice’ people, in fact -no- Elves in the setting are really ‘nice’ people, they have a long history of messing with bad powers stemming back to the Sundering, casual Xenophobia, torture (Just a reminder, Zul’jin was tortured by good guy High Elves) and absolute pragmatism to a degree that it can legitimately be called selfishness. Whatever the situation, Elves are always in it for , heh, thems ‘elves’.
Perhaps the only redeeming feature they have, is that they regard Exile as a major punishment for their own, rather than Execution. Even so, if you look at it, that shows an arrogance supreme. The greatest punishment they use is to cut off malefactors from the glory of Elven company. You’ve got to be pretty up yourselves to think that way. The Nation as a whole only was ever part of the Alliance for the duration of the Second War and left straight after it. That was the Alliance of Lordaeron, it wasn’t even the Alliance that exists in the game now! -
Looking pretty =/=Alliance. Gnomes look pretty scary, they’re not just people afflicted with dwarfism, they have massive heads and sensory organs, they’re pretty scary. If you saw a Draenei in real life you would not find them ‘pretty’, but instead absolutely horrific, just a reminder, they look like -actual- devils. They look exactly like the WoW cosmos’ version of Demons just not red. Worgen are freakin’ -Werewolves- and heck, even Wow’s humans don’t actually look human.
Elves are ethereally attractive to all other races, so Blizzard say, but in an uncanny way. So what? In our original myths Elves were also stunningly beautiful to the humans in our legends, they were also hideously unpleasant creatures who would drain the life out of people, steal their children away to the Faery lands, and return them when they got bored, only for said child to age and crumble to dust in seconds, would steal, cheat, deceive and (An important thing to note) regularly associated with the terrifying monsters of the world, usually leading them in fact. In myths and legends Orcs, Trolls, Goblins and all sorts were usually part of the Foot Soldiers of Elven hosts. So just because one (admittedly very famous) author in the twentieth century came up with this idea that they were always on the side of good and dwarves and humans, does not make it so. Elves are not great people. -
WoW’s Blood Elves have good reason to be Horde (When it is not led by an even more colossal racist than they are themselves!).
Years back, in the Second War, Orcs (Just Orcs, of the current Horde line up, it was only Orcs of saurfang’s generation) invaded and burned their forests. Thing is though, the Elves -won- that war, the invader was crushed to an extent that they were able to be rounded up and put in camps (Though the Elves, with typical elven mentality were all for just slaughtering every single Orc, Terenas’s refusal was the key factor that made them leave the Alliance). So yeah, they won’t like Orcs much, -but- and this is the important factor, as far as the Elves see it, they -won- that War. (Because with their Allies, they did!) It is -always- easier to forgive an enemy you have vanquished, than to forgive one who beat you. Again, this is as true in real history as in a fantasy setting. (Source Material: Pretty much the entire history of the European Continent)
Since then, since the Second War, it has almost been a litany of abuse at the hands of this new Alliance. You can’t really blame the Alliance for Arthas, but then equally the Orcs in the 2nd War weren’t exactly acting of their own free will. But lets leave Arthas out of it. He smashes the Elven nation into near extinction, kills the King, desecrates the central power of the nation.
Surely if those nasty Orcses -really- wanted to duff the Elves in, they would have attacked at that point (and almost certainly won).
They don’t.
What -does- happen, is that racist humans (Yes plural, Garithos could not arrest an army led by a Mage-Prince all on his own) take away the last shred of hope, your monarch, and decide to ceremonially execute him.
Think about that. To a people as proud as Elves demonstrably are, it is not enough that this savage has laid hands upon the crown prince, he actually wants a show execution, he wants to grind your morale into the dust, to publicly shame the nation. Why? Because Zombies killed his family. What the heck? What hand did the Elves have in that? None.
So, you’re trying to get yourself back on your feet, and then suddenly Alliance arrive, Night Elves, surely they are here to aid their descendents in their hour of plight!
Nuh Uh, They’re here to land troops, take land and attack the inhabitants of the country, whilst taking a -really- unhealthy interest in the Arcane Sanctums that are one of the things stopping your people from just completely dying out.
Suddenly that whole Orcish invasion of Quel’thalas seems like -old- history.
I won’t even continue into recent events with Dalaran Krystallnacht and suchlike…
Thats the point, the Alliance has done more negative stuff to the Blood Elves, and more recently, than the Horde ever did. The Darkspear Trolls, Tauren, Free Forsaken, Goblins, Huo’jin, Mag’har, HM Tauren, Vulpera et al have never done them harm, and have only ever been allies. I leave Zandalari out, as the Blood Elves did famously fight them on Isle of Thunder, however as I recall that was a dissident sect acting for Zul, not King Rastakhan, so they can’t blame them for that.
So One Horde race did them wrong, a while back.
The Alliance has done far more wrong, far more recently, including one time when they had extended the hand of friendship, having it almost torn off by a crazy woman and terrorists who then proclaimed themselves Alliance.
Remind me again what possible reason the Blood Elves would have, to be Alliance and not Horde? Whatever reasons there were, Jaina and the Silver Covenant soured.
Just as reminder, as I say, the Kingdom of Quel’thalas left the Alliance after the Second War. The Original Alliance attempted to kill the ruler of Quel’thalas.
The Blood Elves are Loyal, the High Elves are the traitors in this scenario…
Murloc or preferably Gnoll. I want those as a race. I’m not even joking. Gnolls would be awesome.
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Yeah but the “for the lore” argument requires accepting ALL of the lore, not just the bits you like. Helf were part of the alliance in WC2. They then left the alliance following WC2 and never rejoined. In fact a vast majority of them rebranded themselves blood elves in the subsequent period and ended up joining the Horde, this is the lore. It doesn’t stop at WC2.
The High Elves are not officially part of the alliance. There are High Elves whom associate with the alliance, we can’t deny that (Silver Cov etc) but they are not an Alliance race in the same way Dwarves or Gnomes are, why?
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They lack the means to speak for their racial allegeance. They are a group of exiles and political dissidents from their main kingdom. They have no authority to make claims about what their race is or isn’t doing. The best they can do (which they do do) is call themselves something different, and swear individual fealty to the alliance on an individual basis, congregating there they agree. But to say “The High Elves are an ALliance race” means something more akin to “This splinter group of individuals has pledged themselves to the alliance specifically” as there are high elves around that have nothing to do with the alliance and neither group has the political rights to claim to speak for their race (that is tied up in SIlvermoon).
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Even when Kael was assisting the alliance this was as a goodwill gesture and because of his beliefs- it was not a formal political move and never was. It did not legally bind the High Elves back into the alliance because that was never his move to make.
The most accurate picture is this:
Blood Elves are a Horde Race, they are a key member of the Horde.
Some Thalassians left Silvermoon and kept the name High Elves,
of this group, some chose to remain loyal to the Alliance.
That is as far as it goes. High Elves are a race that seems to favour relations with the alliance over Horde, but you cannot speak of them as equal to the alliance formula as say Dwarves, Gnomes, Draenei etc because they simply are not. I’d actually describe them as seeking amnesty under the alliance protection, and some of them have managed to get into positions of influence in this situation. This does not change their overall racial situation.
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Yes the ‘‘Original Alliance’’ is no more now we have the alliance who accepts the new high elves in the alliance=
That is true. Those High Elves are still traitors to their home nation however.
Thats how it works…
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And In the high elves eyes, the blood elves are traitors to the alliance.
So it’s from both sides.
The blood elves didn’t betray the alliance. They changed teams when they realized alliance profit more from them then other way around.