In the eyes of the High Elves, they did and I can’t blame them tbh
Arguably yes, but their opinion carries way less clout- they’re a minority of people who believe that their kingdom betrayed a political union with another political body. At best i’d call it a disagreement over the direction of their nation, betrayal is a bit strong. Conversely belf will view it as a betrayal as their body comprises the majority of the kingdom, so dissedents who flee their nation to join another are indeed traitors. How belf view helf is a technically correct application of traitor, how helf view belf is application of the word only in spirit, because a sovereign nation cannot technically betray it’s own interests (because it is the one defining those interests) so technically speaking they simply differ in opinion. They view it as a “betrayal of their legacy” however which is fair enough.
I think you’re placing a bit too much stock on how high elves viewed the alliance. In the early days their relationship was not one of warmth even when allied, so the idea high elves would take offence at their home-kingdom pursuing it’s own interests over those of a political union they joined out of convenience is a bit suspect to me.
What’s more likely to me is that the high elves were disenfranchised with the whole “siphon mana” thing, and so because they experienced exile, they went to those who would have them. It was again a convenience as opposed to something they did because the high elves left the alliance. When Anasterian took them out, pretty much all high elves agreed with the decision.
Those who remained in alliance lands were largely already on deployment or in Dalaran and so continued their business there until it was concluded as a token of good-faith. Upon finding out they may not be welcome in Silvermoon if they aren’t on board with the creature-tapping, they remained.
The bond between high elves and alliance has grown over time, but I do not think the vast majority of helf went to the alliance because of disagreement with the helf(soon belf) decision to leave, rather it was due to other factors and they sought out the alliance as a haven. They probably didn’t agree with the decision taken, but i don’t think that’s the primary reason they were opposed to Silvermoon.
I think more helf take issue with the fact SIlvermoon allied with the Horde (which happened later) than they did for Silvermoon simply being a neutral nation. You don’t really see high-elf aggression against belf until belf have been a member of the horde for a while (Wrath).
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The Kingdom of Quel’thalas was never in the Grand Alliance. It was -briefly- in the Alliance of Lordaeron, and then the Alliance of Lordaeron betrayed them. Later, when the Grand Alliance was formed, one of its first actions was against the Neutral Kingdom of Quel’thalas.
You can’t politically betray a body politic that you don’t even belong to or have made any promises to.
You -Can- betray your own sovereign nation.
The Kingdom of Quel’thalas was -never- part of the Grand Alliance, nor allied to it (It was only founded later) therefore it is not possible for the Blood Elves to have betrayed the Grand Alliance, as they were never in it to begin with!
The High Elves exiled are however traitors to the body politic that is Quel’thalas.
I’m not saying they should not be playable, I am saying that -they- are the actual Traitors to their homeland, the Blood Elves remained true to the legitimate government of the State.
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I love how you always put so much details into explaining things. I can appreciate you good enough for that.
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That’s not the truth, Sylvanas Windrunner and the Forsaken were(and are) part of the Horde, so yes, The Horde through lady Sylvanas Windrunner helped the Blood Elves.
If that’s not enough for you, the Horde also helped the Blood Elves reach Outland and helped them find their new future.
Just…once? In MoP?
Do people still use ‘kappa’ ? Never understood what it was supposed to mean.
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The thing is, the Horde didn’t even wanted to let the Blood elves join them. It was because of Sylvanas that they were allowed. And yes technically the Horde did helped them because the Forsaken and Sylvanas were part of the Horde but keep in mind they had little loyalties for them and only joined them because they needed allies. So even though the Forsaken were part of the Horde Sylvanas helped them on behalf of her and her love for her former homeland not on behalf of the Horde.
There was a teensie bit more to it than that, Sylvanas was influential in the matter, but there were -terms- on the Blood Elves joining, one of which was that they had to finish off the last Scourge Warlord in the Eastern Kingdoms (Darkhan Drathir) which the player character plays through in the Ghostlands quests . Canonically Lor’themar killed him, though after he is risen it is the newly founded Blood Knights, specifically Liadrin, Champion Vranesh and a couple of others who finish off the undead version.
Lor’themar also had some juicy bribe material to offer the Horde, (Or specifically the Orcs), the letter the player is sent to get Sylvanas to put her covering letter endorsing it is basically information to Thrall, confirming what the Orcs did not know, which is that their race actually was still alive on Outlands, and had not perished. Basically the Blood Elves told the Orcs about the Mag’har still existing. That information, plus the defeat of Dark’han Drathir was what made Thrall go “Yeah, you’re in!”
Ironically what we -never- see (Though almost certainly happened at some point) is the player character envoy, or Lor’themar actually swear the Blood Oath of the Horde. Thrall accepts them into the Horde before the oath is sworn (Though as I say, this almost certainly happened off camera at some point).
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And yet the orcs raided Quel’thalas. while the alliance had 1 person who hated them and was in charge because he was the highest rank at that time.
Did they remove the void form proc from racial? Also high elves had paladins in lore, and void elves can’t be paladins, so it isn’t really what they were asking for.
Is there a thread for red eyes for blood elves? I want that.
I’m sure many people ask for dark rangers skins.
I’m more into San’layn than dark rangers, at least as death knights if nothing else.
And the Night Elves invaded Quel’Thalas, when the Blood Elves were at their lowest and attacking innocent Blood Elves.
On top of not having the Sunwell, the Thalassians were also dealing with the rising Amani and Scourge and now, hostile night elf spies were causing trouble for their northern Sanctums and Southern borders.
If the Night Elves were there to help with the Scourge and Amani, then their presence would have been appreciated. They didn’t do this and attacked innocent Blood Elves.
And I’ve already seen somebody on MMO champion (a Night Elf Mage fan) say that the Blood Elves were wrong to attack the Night Elves. Don’t start with that line of thinking. The Blood Elves had every right to defend themselves in their own lands. Quel’Thalas is not night elf land and if they choose to attack the Blood Elves, the Blood Elves have every right to attack and kill them.
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All your elves are belong to us now Hordelets!
I have seen a couple of threads on the ‘dark rangers’ or ‘red eye’ option.
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Joining the Horde made sense.
Staying in it after it had two civil wars and failed to defend the most fortified Horde stronghold in the Eastern Kingdoms from the Alliance (As well as Arathi) makes absolutely no sense. As does Lor’themar’s cringe Lok’taring.
Blood elves have been on team Lok’tar for 13 years. And that is a good thing. And not to change anytime soon. I am a blood elf and I am fully embracing the VIP horde membership. Lok’tar! My fellow horde members. Show everyone that we are Team red.
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No you’re not. You’re a Vulpera main who changes his mind about the races he plays like a new set of clothes.
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Been bloodelf main since TBC. We stay on the Horde. Full time. Lok’tar!
Velonara for Forsaken leadership.
Sin’dorei, Shal’dorei and Forsaken can have a restored friendship and team again, under her leadership.
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Eww, Nightborne.