Bloof elf nobility - why I have a problem with some roleplayers

Blood elves are a race of nobility. That is kind of their thing, isn’t it? They were called High elves until very recently (When you concider their long elven lifespans) - All of them are direct descendants of exiled highborne.
It alsways felt strange to me, seeing Thalassian characters calling themselves noble as a way to set them apart from the rest of Thalassian society.

Yes, there are different hierarchies within Quel’thalas, like the magisters for example.
And sure, your character could come from a wealthy and powerful house (Like the Windrunner house), and it’s easy to imagine that it would give you some privileges like in any society.

But here’s the thing: All high/blood elves are noble.
Like I said before, nobility is kind of their thing, as a race. It is literally how they define themselves as a people.
The whole noble =/= commoner idea is just… very wrong in my humble opinion. It’s a human concept that honestly feels… anti-Thalassian.

I’ve read so many backstories where the blood elf character was brought up as a “noble” in a wealthy house full of servants like footmen, cooks and lady maids who would brush their hair every morning.
I just can’t take it seriously.

In my mind, even the drunk thistlehead under the Silvermoon bridge is a “noble”, same as the blood elf “labourers” and innkeepers etc.
There would be little need for a peasant class anyway as much of the manual labour is administered through their use of magic and technology.

I always assumed the lords and ladies in Quel’thalas would be the magisters and other powerful individuals who have earned their place in society.
For example, I assume Lady Liandrin calls herself lady because of who she is with her position as the Blood Knight Matriarch, not because she might have been brought up in a specific house with banners.

Honestly, if my my blood elf meets other blood elves that call themselves noble and somehow makes a thing out it, I would ICly treat them like they’re crazy or something. “What do you mean you’re a noble? … As opposed to what? Aren’t we all? What the hell am I then, night elf lowborn?”
And OOCly, in my mind I just can’t help but think “Why on earth are you role playing a blood elf and not a human?”

They are a surviving, proud people who has been through the worst kind of tragedies with only 10% of them remaining. A magic elven society where each and everyone has direct noble lineage. You’d assume there be some sense of camaraderie with mutual respect and high regard between individuals, and not a human class system of aristocracy confined to a handful of elites.

Whilst plausible to say they are all descended from nobility, it’s clear that many filled the void of job roles required to keep the kingdom running rendering some more as commoners than noble. That’s my take on it but I’m sure there are others who can explain it better.

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What makes one a noble? Blood? Wealth? Prestige? Position?

While the exiled Highborne may have been nobility in the Empire, the Empire is no more, they were refugees who struggled and died on their voyage east, and then had to build a new society, one thousands of years old.

What it means to be ‘noble’ in Thalassian society is no doubt something that a great many elven sociologists bicker over, it’s a definition which will have changed both internally and externally over the years.

Bakerthas the Baker who was originally descended from Highborne nobility 13 generations ago may derive some pride from his heritage, perhaps not, but in Quel’thalas of today, he’d be a noble in name only when stacked up against those with vast mansions, wealth, land and servants.

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Nobles/aristocrats are the highest class of a population; by definition they can’t make up the entirety of it or they stop being nobles. Besides, as you said (and for some reason then tried to refute), hierarchies exist even among them. Quel’thalas and Suramar are both examples. At the end of the day, someone is at the top of the pyramid and someone is at the bottom—making them, in comparison, the commoners of their society

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Not to mention that Silvermoon specifically had the Convocation of Silvermoon - the ruling power of the city comprised of the seven most powerful lords, of which Sunstrider was the head.

Moreover, Highborne wasn’t strictly speaking “the nobility” of the Empire. There were prominent non-Highborne nobles like Ravencrest, and Highborne cities like Suramar maintained its own social hierarchy within the Highborne caste. Highborne as a group originated from certain bloodlines who were ideological yes men to the regime at the birth of the Empire, thus becoming Azshara’s favourites.

And finally per Warcraft 3 we explicitly see High elf peasants and commoners in the flesh.

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I respect the drip though

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Which for all intents and purposes is a particular example of a noble house, in that they presumably controlled the town around their spire. And were the hereditary Ranger-Generals of Quel’Thalas.

All high / blood / void elves are the descendants of nobility, not all high / blood / void elves are nobility.

But it’s still there in the lore. They have, even after the invasion, a distinct line drawn between commoners and nobility.

Disregarding the footmen, even wealthy commoners can have a household of serving staff.

They still are in blood, but not society.

You still need people to oversee this labour through magic and technology, you still need soldiers, you need Farstriders, sailors, merchants, craftsmen. The very nature of a functional society ensures there will always be a class caste in a kingdom.

Stormwind has elected mayors in their towns, it’s still a more or less feudal-ish monarchy.

She’s the Lady of Light.

It is literally a thing, though. Especially before the Third War, when Quel’Thalas was ruled by a convocation of the kingdom’s seven greatest lords. Your character would be the crazy person in this case, claiming that a beggar is of the same societal standing as the late Sunstriders.

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Nobility is a social class, not a physical characteristic like having blond hair. That one’s ancestors were nobles in another country means nothing as to one’s statut in the current, other country.*

(*It can of course helps set one’s statut at the beginning. If you were exiled/refugee with a lot of money, better luck at striking a better statut than the one who was a very important duke but left only with the clothes on their back.)

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Think of it as the ancient Romans; they believed themselves to be the most noble, virtuous and civilized people of the entire world, to the point that even a penniless vagrant was worth more than an unwashed barbarian king. But even a society like that had clear social boundaries that divided pureblood Romans into different social strata, with a nobility and a lower class.

For Thalassian Elves, it will be much the same - sure, they may all believe themselves Children of Noble blood, but some are just a little bit more noble than others.

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Blood* elf.

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Thoradin wasn’t an unwashed barbarian king… :smiling_face_with_tear:

Then why’d he dress like an orcish marauder?

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Um, [citation needed].

The exiled Highborne presumably didn’t go into exile just by themselves. Who would provide them with food, who would sew their clothes, who would build their houses in the new land, who would crew the ships? They presumably took their households with them, as well as commoner supporters of their cause.

Also, what everyone else said above.

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Highborne were a caste of elves, not just nobles (in the sense of people that own land and rule over others). They were not all rulers with non-Highborne servants, there were also these servants among them (how else could entirely Highborne cities function?).
This especially applies after Sundering, as Highborne that remained part of kaldorei society were people that fled Zin-Azshari on their nightsabers under leadership of Dath´remar. How would these people, whose homes and property were destroyed, employ other elves? Any status they might have had was gone after Sundering and even their Arcane magic wouldn´t help them, as it was banned in night elf society.

Wishful thinking.

Drathir explicitly Betrayed the High Elves because he wasn’t welcomed into the Convocation. He believed himself to be as equal to the other great houses. He was power hungry and was seeking to rise above his station, using Lor’themar’s friendship and knowledge as leverage.

Blood elves may consider themselves noble, but their society has and always has had plebs and the upper crust. Though it arguably got a whole lot more meritocratic and dynamic post-scourge.

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Uh, that’s a VRYKUL marauder sweaty.

Looks like a sin’dorc or vikings tv show era “northern” guild leader to me.

Suramar wasn’t a Highborne city. It was ruled by Highborne (and so was every city, no doubt), but it wasn’t highborne exclusive, seeing as Tyrande and the Shadowsongs were from there and neither are implied to have been Highborne.

So when the people of Suramar yell they are the true Highborne they are liars.

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Like any society there’s going to be someone on top and someone on the bottom. The Highborne who went into exile might have taken X Y Z amount of household staff with them - or over the X amount of time since their arrival on the EK and the establishing of the High Kingdom some houses/families either outshone the others or died. It is mentioned, IIRC (it’s been a long time since I’ve played Belves) that they suffered losses in the cold northern traversal before they settled. Maybe some of the nobility died, and all that was left to fill the void were household staff. Maybe those staff were absorbed. Then instead of (I’m simplifying here) 5 houses with 10 staff each, they’re left with 4 houses with 12 staff each. Etc. etc.

btw Drathir did nothing wrong

Thank you for inspiring my new character.